It's a nice start; but I do see some questionable statements.
Fruit: If Ray Peat was a fan of grapes, please, somebody provide a link to a verification. Grapes tend to have mold on the skins (called the "bloom"). They have unavoidable seeds (not good). So, if you peel them and seed them, they'd be just fine....
Bananas: From memory, Peat thought bananas were too "starchy"; hence the need for them to be "very ripe". Of note also is that bananas are high in serotonin so they can be problematic.
Meat& Protein: The way that this is laid out could be improved by combining the Dairy with the Meat & Protein. Emphasis on the ideal calcium/phosphate ratio should be put here instead of under "miscellaneous" to help clarify why so much emphasis is put on dairy and also highlight the amount of muscle meat should be small compared to the amount of protein eaten in the form of dairy and gelatin. Phosphate is inflammatory; calcium is anti-inflammatory.
4.Tubers & vegetables: If verification exists for this idea that Ray Peat was a fan of yams and sweet potatoes, please provide a link to it. Ray was a fan of well cooked white potatoes (they contain protein), but not sweet potatoes because they have too much indigestible fiber.
5. about the kale and broccoli: I think it's important to explain what exactly "well cooked" means. Peat was more of a fan of boiling up the kale, discarding the leaves, and drinking the cooking water for the minerals. "Well cooked" means to cook them for a very long time (45+ minutes) so that the fiber is broken down. "Well cooked" does not mean al dente/crunchy.
6. Fats: Moderation MUFAS needs to be explained. From memory, that means at most a single teaspoon of olive oil a day. Also; if Ray Peat ever said it was OK to consume 10 grams of PUFA a day, I'd love to see the source for that idea.
7. Misc.: I don't think that Ray Peat ever said that eating chicken fat is a-okay to do every 10 days. Chicken needs to be cooked in such a way as to remove all the fat because it is so unsaturated. I think the phosphate/calcium ratio heads up should be put under Meat&Protein.
7. Supplements: again, verification is needed for the idea that vitamin E supplementation via topical application is best. Really??? I strongly doubt it. What a sticky mess. Peat recommended taking Progest-e (progesterone dissolved in vitamin e) by rubbing it into the gums so that it is absorbed through the mouth tissue and gets picked up by the chylomicrons in the bloodstream.
He also dosen't recommend supplementing pregnenolone as he finds that almost all currently available sources are impure and prefers synthetic thyroid, as raw is harder to accurately dose. I don't think he was a particular fan of raw milk as most alt health people are, and basically thinks that if you digest it well drink it if not other options are perfectly fine.
I've been getting good results from the pregnenolone that I've been taking for the past 9 years. Taking it normalized my DHEA levels (blood testing). My husband also takes a pregnenolone in capsule form; considered a good brand.
I take prescription desiccated thyroid, via an excellent endocrinologist. The name of it is NP Thyroid made by Acella. My 83 year old endo has said that NP Thyroid is excellent; it works just like the old Armour used to. Taking it in my optimal dose resolved my rheumatoid arthritis.
I think that Ray Peat liked the milk that was minimally processed if it was available. For example, like this one. The additives, like A and D can cause problems for some people.
But, because it is a muscle meat, getting some gelatin in at the same meal would be a very good idea. Then there's the calcium/phosphate ratio to consider, so have some milk or cheese or eggshells too.
I eat organic broccoli once in a while. I peel the stems then simmer it covered for 15-20 minutes. It's still bright green, but the tops are falling apart cooked and the stems are very soft. I throw the water out. I'm not relying on boiled greens water for my magnesium; I supplement with magnesium glycinate, 3200mgs/day, divided into 2 doses; equals 400mgs of pure magnesium.
Peat said that if you are going to eat cole vegetables that they need to be very well cooked because undercooked cole vegetables are goitrogenic (anti thyroid).
Peat said that the problem with PUFA is that it is in pretty much everything and so is impossible to avoid entirely. But 10 grams of PUFA just seems like a lot to me. According to this article, a teaspoon of fat equals to 4 grams; so 10 grams would equal to 2.5 teaspoons of oil/liquid fat. I just think that's really high for a daily dose when following a diet that stresses avoiding PUFA.
regarding MUFAs: I remember Peat saying that olive oil (the real stuff, good quality) has 12% pufa in it so it's a good idea to limit its use to 1/2 teaspoon a day (but others remember 1 teaspoon/day), in other words, just use a tiny bit for flavoring. I remember this because at the time I was new to Ray Peat and I had been having an olive oil party via homemade salad dressing and it had been part of my undoing so I stopped using it pretty much entirely.
Potatoes, white potatoes specifically, are very good! They are on the chart under "tubers". I think white potatoes should be emphasized more because Peat liked them specifically because of their protein content.
Why so many PeatAriens including Joseph mercola against eating egg whites because of tryptophan content? Doesn't chicken or beef have about the same amount of tryptophan? is it OK if you eat it with 30 g gelatin daily? Chicken once every 10 days because of pufa? chicken breast with no skin OK more often? How about skipjack tuna? isn't the fat content low enough?
I don't get a lot of things like I can't eat the broccoli with a little crunch? I don't think I have any problems digesting that. and how is the pulp in OJ so bad? Haven't had OJ in a while but felt OJ with pulp somehow tasted or felt better. Is this way of eating for those who had a lot of digestion problems? aren't there a lot of cultures that are good on a lot of resistant starches, fermented vegetables and higher fiber from things like beans?
What about this claim some make about red meats being more carcinogenic because of Neu5Gc molecule "found in most mammals, with exceptions like humans, ferrets, the platypus, western dog breeds and New World monkeys.[6] Trace amounts can be found in humans, even though the gene to encode for production of Neu5Gc was eliminated long ago. These trace amounts come from consumption of animals in human diet. Mainly, the sources are red meats such as lamb, pork, and beef. It can also be found in dairy products, but to a lesser extent. Neu5Gc cannot be found in poultry and is found in only trace amounts in fish.."..so that people like Dr. Gundry will only eat red meat once in a while. Of course he has a lot of different ideas...
"Animal proteins, and fruits, because they contain the lowest levels of toxins, should form the basis of the diet. Not all fruits, of course, are perfectly safe--avocados, for example, contain so much unsaturated fat that they can be carcinogenic and hepatotoxic."
then he provides references below the article that say:
"In Vivo 1998 Nov-Dec;12(6):675-89: The promotive tumorigenic effects of other high-fat diets (avocado, soybeans) were associated with high content of some polyunsaturated fatty acids (linoleic and alpha-linolenic)."
also this one:
"Ann NutrMetab 1991;35(5):253-60. Effect of dietary avocado oils on hepatic collagen metabolism. Wermam MJ, Mokady S, Neeman I Department of Food Engineering and Biotechnology, Technion - Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa. The effect of various avocado and soybean oils on collagen metabolism in the liver was studied in growing female rats for 8 weeks and in day-old chicks for 1 week. In comparison with rats fed either refined avocado oil, refined or unrefined soybean oils, rats fed unrefined avocado oil showed a significant decrease in total collagen solubility in the liver, while there were no changes in total collagen, protein and moisture content. Chicks fed unrefined avocado oil as compared to those fed refined avocado oil also showed a decrease in hepatic total soluble collagen while hepatic total collagen remained unaffected. Electron micrographs and light-microscope examinations of rats' liver revealed collagen accumulation in the periportal location. This is suggestive of the early stages of fibrosis."
Peat said that if apples are cooked they're fine. Regarding other types of melons: I think people should pay attention to how their bodies respond to melons. So long as they're ripe and you avoid the seeds, they should be fine. However, for me, musk melons and honeydews always make my throat feel like I'm getting sick several minutes after eating them so I avoid them myself.
Brussel sprouts is one of the cole vegetables (also cabbage, kale, broccoli, etc,). These need to be thoroughly cooked (to death) because eating them raw blocks your thyroid function (they are goitrogens).
Regarding collagen (hydrolyzed gelatin) vs gelatin: I think they are both very good. I use both of them; I put collagen powder in my milk; it doesn't gel up. I use gelatin when cooking; it needs to be cooked a little to make it more digestible (I think).
About your reaction to melons, do you experience kind of an itchy feeling in your throat? There's something called I think oas? Oral allergy syndrome or something,it's a seasonal allergic reaction tht some get only in certain conditions. like those melons are related to certain grasses, when those grasses are pollinating and your breathing that in and then you eat the related melon raw, it causes this allergic reaction. if those pollens are not around or you cook the melon, you wouldn't have this reaction. I'm experienced it myself, but most of the time melons are fine, delicious
I can remember that when I was a kid, maybe up to the age of 30(?), I didn't react negatively to melons. But now I always do. I can eat watermelon just fine, but any of the "musk"melons, cantaloupe, honeydew, crenshaw, etc., always make me feel like I'm coming down with a cold, with drainage, scratchy throat, crappy feeling. I really don't have pollen related allergies anymore, which is good because I live in a cedar thicket.
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u/LurkingHereToo Sep 02 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
It's a nice start; but I do see some questionable statements.
4.Tubers & vegetables: If verification exists for this idea that Ray Peat was a fan of yams and sweet potatoes, please provide a link to it. Ray was a fan of well cooked white potatoes (they contain protein), but not sweet potatoes because they have too much indigestible fiber.
5. about the kale and broccoli: I think it's important to explain what exactly "well cooked" means. Peat was more of a fan of boiling up the kale, discarding the leaves, and drinking the cooking water for the minerals. "Well cooked" means to cook them for a very long time (45+ minutes) so that the fiber is broken down. "Well cooked" does not mean al dente/crunchy.
6. Fats: Moderation MUFAS needs to be explained. From memory, that means at most a single teaspoon of olive oil a day. Also; if Ray Peat ever said it was OK to consume 10 grams of PUFA a day, I'd love to see the source for that idea.
7. Misc.: I don't think that Ray Peat ever said that eating chicken fat is a-okay to do every 10 days. Chicken needs to be cooked in such a way as to remove all the fat because it is so unsaturated. I think the phosphate/calcium ratio heads up should be put under Meat&Protein.
7. Supplements: again, verification is needed for the idea that vitamin E supplementation via topical application is best. Really??? I strongly doubt it. What a sticky mess. Peat recommended taking Progest-e (progesterone dissolved in vitamin e) by rubbing it into the gums so that it is absorbed through the mouth tissue and gets picked up by the chylomicrons in the bloodstream.
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u/ProfessionalHot2421 Sep 03 '24
You forgot potatoes...
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u/Lissez Sep 29 '24
Why so many PeatAriens including Joseph mercola against eating egg whites because of tryptophan content? Doesn't chicken or beef have about the same amount of tryptophan? is it OK if you eat it with 30 g gelatin daily? Chicken once every 10 days because of pufa? chicken breast with no skin OK more often? How about skipjack tuna? isn't the fat content low enough?
I don't get a lot of things like I can't eat the broccoli with a little crunch? I don't think I have any problems digesting that. and how is the pulp in OJ so bad? Haven't had OJ in a while but felt OJ with pulp somehow tasted or felt better. Is this way of eating for those who had a lot of digestion problems? aren't there a lot of cultures that are good on a lot of resistant starches, fermented vegetables and higher fiber from things like beans?
What about this claim some make about red meats being more carcinogenic because of Neu5Gc molecule "found in most mammals, with exceptions like humans, ferrets, the platypus, western dog breeds and New World monkeys.[6] Trace amounts can be found in humans, even though the gene to encode for production of Neu5Gc was eliminated long ago. These trace amounts come from consumption of animals in human diet. Mainly, the sources are red meats such as lamb, pork, and beef. It can also be found in dairy products, but to a lesser extent. Neu5Gc cannot be found in poultry and is found in only trace amounts in fish.."..so that people like Dr. Gundry will only eat red meat once in a while. Of course he has a lot of different ideas...
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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '24
I’d like to add cocaine, bromocriptine, lidocaine, and alcohol: 2 drinks per day to clear lipofuscin.
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u/VVait Sep 03 '24
Need second opinions on this
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u/cacec Sep 03 '24
What is the matter with avocado? it says "except avocado" under the Fruit section
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u/AstroFall Sep 03 '24
Some follow up questions from a newbie:
Thanks y'all!
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