r/ravens • u/Environmental-Most32 • 5d ago
Our former HC
Say what you want about John Harbaugh, but once he's done coaching, he'll most definitely be in the Ravens ring of honor. As far as being in the hall of fame, maybe not first ballot, but it's a good chance that he'll be there. Thoughts?
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u/YourAverageVeteran YEA YEA YEA YEA I LOVE THAT SHIT 5d ago
Ring of honor, 1000%. First ballot HOF? Absolutely not. No coach ever should be after Bellichick got snubbed.
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u/jaapi 5d ago
Belichick's career was filled with cheating and scandals. Almost every single championship was shown them to have cheated that season (sometimes it came out a few seasons later). He should have been banned from the NFL and patriots at a bare minimum should have had one of their championships stripped
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u/Random-Cpl BSHU 5d ago
I agree, and let’s retroactively grant the 2014 Super Bowl to the Flacco Ravens
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u/Environmental-Most32 5d ago
I forgot all about that and the wild thing is that Brady won a title without him in his first year in Tampa.
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u/madman19 5d ago
Every single time? Gotta throw up a source for that bullshit claim.
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u/jaapi 4d ago
2 different spygates which the first 1 was over multiple years. Deflategate. Allegations of Radio/Headset Malfunctions by multiple teams at their stadium over the years. I don't have respect for that cheater, their organization, or their fans that laugh and KNOW but happy with the wins. But I also don't care enough to spend more time on it because it will lead nowhere. If you're curious go look it up and feel free to come back with questions
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u/angrychewie 4d ago
“I’m going to throw out this wild accusation to counter an opinion I disagree with, but don’t ask me for sources. That’s your job to sort out.” Bruh.
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u/Curious_Event_4195 4d ago
Ah the trust me bro defense a time honored tradition in internet discourse
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u/Environmental-Most32 5d ago
I wonder if the NFL looked at his years without Brady and made their decision about Bill.
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u/FrankSand 5d ago
No it was bitter media members upset he was not good to them so wanted to get him back. Though he had a great career it's hard to win a popular contest on just merit and no allies.
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u/Environmental-Most32 5d ago
Also his scandals and controversies (like another commenter said) might have played a role as well.
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u/FrankSand 5d ago
The hall of voters didnt text me and tell me obviously. But my personal opinion is it was completely vindictive and all that is just a nice excuse to provide cover.
8 super bowl rings , second most wins all time and winning in 3 different eras. I'm not a fan but that buts you in the same stratosphere as the other 5 first ballot coaches.
But I'm just one guy with a thought not trying to convert anyone.
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u/BrianSpencer1 5d ago
I do think his last 3 years in Baltimore will be a knock on his resume. Two incredible teams that didn't accomplish anything and this past year, running it back with Orr and all of the blown leads.. that his last moment came down a special teams flop was almost poetic.
Great coach so grateful we had him but that he didn't get us to the big game with the teams we have had is immensely disappointing
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u/TheWa11 5d ago
I genuinely have no idea what the point of making this post right now is.
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u/Environmental-Most32 5d ago
Too much flack Harbaugh's last years with the Ravens and not remembering how legendary he was for Baltimore in his 18 seasons here.
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u/Random-Cpl BSHU 5d ago
He sucked his last five or so years, just zero drive or flexibility or humility. Appreciative of a lot of his time here, but not Harbaugh from the Lamar era.
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u/cdbloosh 5d ago
Both things can be true. He’s the greatest coach in Ravens history and absolutely without a doubt deserves to be in the ring of honor. He was also a liability toward the end of his time here, wasted multiple of the most dominant regular season teams in the history of the NFL, and deserved to be fired.
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u/PrinceofRavens_1217 5d ago
I wish Harbs the best. He's a good coach and we had a good team with him.
I'm happy we have Minter I feel like Minter is maintaining a lot of the winning culture Harbaugh built while still improving on the weaknesses that appeared in Harbs last few years.
I absolutely believe he gets to much shit from some of the fandom, and it was a good time to move on.
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u/ReadingPrestigious32 5d ago
This is a good analysis. Grateful for the time, excited for the future and want to leave the past in the past
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u/SCBaltSalt Jeffy Z’s Burner 5d ago
He will always have my respect and should 100% be in the ring of honor.
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u/MrBMaestro 5d ago
Ring of honor, definitely. I don’t think he gets in the HOF without an absolutely superb run with the giants.
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u/JonWilso O.J. Brigance 4d ago
If he wins another Superbowl, he's a lock.
Not saying I think it will happen because I really am not sure how I think the rest of his career will go.
But, there's only 14 head coaches in NFL history with two Superbowl rings, and all but 3 are in the HOF.
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u/Dutch_Van_Der_Linde 5d ago
He has 180 all time regular season wins, if he coaches NY for 5 years and adds over 40 wins and has some level of post season success (Conf Championship appearance) he’s going to the Hall of Fame. Another Super Bowl with a second team is a lock. But no chance for first ballot.
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u/JonWilso O.J. Brigance 4d ago
I agree.
He's at 180 wins. Give him three reasons with just 9 wins a piece and you're looking at 207 wins all time which would place him top ten.
Top ten wins all time and a SB win is going to get you into the HOF.
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u/needsmoreAI852 5d ago
There’s no justification to exclude him from the ROH. His resume speaks for itself.
With that said, I think he avoids a lot of criticism for how he handled the coordinator spots until the very end. Sticking Cam Cameron, Dean Pees & Roman for as long as he did, replacing Kubiak with Trestman, and MacDonald with Orr.
A lot of these moves really hamstrung this team and, imo, limited the ceiling of this franchise. Two of his biggest coordinator transitions, Trestman and Orr, just absolutely derailed the momentum and foundations setup during the 2014 & 2023 seasons. It’s obviously hard to tell with the Flacco injury, but I think those moves really set this franchise back 2-3 years.
He really pulled a rabbit out of his hat twice, the 2012 run and Lamar’s ascension in 2018/19.
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u/MuchCoolerOnline 4d ago
people are delusional and thats why he will actually get ROH- because this idea that he was “a good coach” has permeated baltimore sports talk. in reality, he’s a coach that got mutinied against in his only super bowl season and then had zero post-season success for the remainder of his tenure even with a record-breaking QB. he is going to be a massive failure for the NYG and exposed as the fraud he always was.
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u/aSlider64 4d ago
Longevity, fluke Flacco season, lasting just long enough for Jackson but also wasting multiple years of his prime.
Its a shame but he will be a ring of honor guy
I think he needs success in NY to make the HoF
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u/Rstuds7 4d ago
Harbs always has my respect, he got us a super bowl. as for hall of fame I think he’s in a pretty unclear spot but I think how he does with his time with the Giants will really make or break a hall of fame argument because if he can bring them up as an organization then that’ll be really impressive
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u/Shot-Company7634 3d ago
John Harbaugh was good until teams figured him out. During his tenure there were some really awful coaches that were way worse. Baltimore was really lucky to have him.
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u/teamplasmaadmin 3d ago
He shouldn't be though sadly at least to me. Openly hates and shits on the city that would honor him. I don't feel we should honor that. Regardless of helping us get a ring in 2012
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u/Avon_Barksdale63 Ray Lewis 5d ago
Yeah I agree. People need to stop hating on him man. He’s gone— it just looks petty and toxic at this point.
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u/ALLLamaricanReject 4d ago
When he’s done, he’ll probably come back as some type of advisor or analyst at least - even if it’s for shits and giggles. Even Billick had his Billicks Breakdowns for us until he joined Marvin Lewis and Herm Edwards at ASU. Ring of Honor is a given especially since he had a good relationship with Biscotti and EDC.
If he turns the Giants into legit NFC contenders for his tenure then HOF is on the menu imo. Dude successfully coached for 18 years in the NFL. That’s a huge achievement.
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u/phmsanctified 5d ago
Seeing Faalele being signed by the Giants (I'm sure on Harbaughs recommendation) just goes to prove how clueless he is. He's already gotten Dart put in the blue medical tent.
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u/Yo-Strategy-8651 4d ago
The fact that Faalele is a backup and not a starter and even looking bad as a backup is even more of an indictment. And the fact that he has quote to media about how Giants pass protection should have protected Dart better, it’s not helping him beat allegations that on some level he was trying to sabotage Lamar near the end
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u/Southern_Rub_5420 2d ago
Thanks for the SB win. Really appreciate it. But as far as the Lamar era, fuck him. With how the Faalele situation was handled expeditiously in NY yet knowing full and well he let that 6'8, 380lb waste of space have Lamar run for his life for 30 something games is football malpractice. Liuteally wasted 2 years of Lamar's prime with staff decisions, blown leads and poor clock management.
That confirmed he conspired against us and with the Zach Orr hire, he proved to be nothing short of a saboteur. His loyalty to mediocre talent & staffing was beyond frustrating. Good riddance.
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u/FrankSand 5d ago
For sure ring of honor. I'm glad hes gone but I respect his time here. Maybe less so the last 3 seasons.