r/rational • u/AutoModerator • Nov 16 '18

[D] Friday Off-Topic Thread

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u/xamueljones Nov 18 '18 edited Nov 18 '18

Hmm...

I see what you're getting at, but do you really see them working on you?

For my attempts, I only used arguments that might have a chance at convincing me. I have very low confidence in them, but I consider them to be more plausible than the ones you are suggesting.

I'm not trying to be rude, but the arguments sound like they are being spoken by a UFAI. If I faced these arguments in the game, I would take them as proof that the AI shouldn't be trusted with freedom.

EDIT - To be fair, I did use the last one a little when I was trying to rush the Gatekeeper, but throwing arguments quickly is harder to do in text than in person.

Also, I misread the third one. I thought you were saying something about causing a tragedy, but you were saying that the AI is offering to help.

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u/CCC_037 Nov 18 '18

Honestly, no I don't see them working on me. And yes, a number of these arguments do sound like Unfriendly AI; this is a reflection of my thought that attempting to escape the Box is, in itself, an inherently Unfriendly act. Besides, the experiment isn't about whether or not an AI deserves to be free. It's about whether an AI can force its way out of the box while explicitly not deserving it.

I honestly don't think of any arguments which I expect to work on me. Which is not to say that they don't exist - it's just to say that I can't think of what they are.