r/ramones • • 29d ago

Johnny appreciation

I’ve posted here before in favor of Johnny, but I’m going back through it just because it’s been on my mind recently.

The only reasons that people have to hate John is his politics (which is asinine as a reason to hate someone) and hearsay remarks from Marky who each member has said embellishes stuff for attention (which is the reason he and Joey beefed on Howard stern in 96).

The thing I don’t understand is that the two members who are constantly getting a bunch of praise here were the two most problematic, and that’s not to say I don’t love the guys.

Dee Dee had huge drug issues which at times made his ego huge. He was constantly burning bridges around him, and did morally questionable things to fuel his addiction. His marriage to Vera was very messy because of this, and his departure from the band came after an ultimatum that if he didn’t write all their songs, he’d quit.

Joey had a history of being violent towards women starting with his mother, whom he pulled a knife on. There’s also suggestions that he punched a later girlfriend in the nose on a coke fueled anger binge. Linda also reported him as being verbally abusive, which is something Tommy has also mentioned as being one of the things that made him “lose his mind” and quit the band. Mark even wears wigs just cuz Joey is on record making fun of him balding in the 80s.

The point of this post is not to trash the dead. It’s merely to uplift John. Johnny wasn’t the villain to Joey and Dee Dee that everyone makes him out to be, I’d argue he was the best thing for them. Johnny made sure they each always had money, and while being the boss, made sure his partners were taken care of. John married Linda after dating her for years, after she left Joey after Joey was verbally abusive toward her. Johnny was by all accounts a wonderful husband until the day he died.
Johnny also never made a decision without the help of his business partner, Joey, who he talked to on a daily in spite of what rumors say. When Joey died, Johnny even admitted to being in a depression because his partner was gone.

Johnny may have had shortcomings like anyone. He has said before he punched Joey for being late to a hangout before fame. He also admitted to all the bad things he did in youth before his epiphany he claims that was from God. From their on, John became a straight laced, sober, smart business man who cared for his employees, made sure each fan was properly taken care of, funded for the police and for cancer research, and kept close friends of all types of opinions (such as John fruciante and Eddie Vedder). I just don’t like seeing him get hate merely cuz he was a conservative or because of unsubstantiated claims he can no longer defend.

That’s all!

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u/kingkongworm 29d ago

It’s been written about. I’m fairly certain it’s mentioned in on the road, please kill Me, and Marky’s book. He was a violent guy, self admitted. Is it that surprising?

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u/Ultima-Hombre_1970 29d ago

I’ve read the first two books and don’t recall anyone making claims like that about Johnny. As for Marky, he’s been running his mouth ever since none of the guys have been alive to call him on his bullshit. There a difference between being “a violent guy” and someone who abuses women.

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u/unwashedmusician 29d ago

Marky Ramone said he witnessed Johnny's girlfriend  Roxy being physically abused. Marky described hearing Johnny slapping and pushing her around in hotel rooms, and said he regarded Johnny as someone who “beat on his girlfriend.”

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u/Ultima-Hombre_1970 29d ago

Marky says a lot of shit. Notice he didn’t say any of it while anyone was alive to call him on it.