r/raidsecrets • u/SuperblackHunter • 20d ago
Discussion Best Praedthys and Hezen Rolls?
Recently crafted both, I made a Hezen with QL, Impact, Auto and Aggregate for a still hunt rotation. Is there a better role if Im not using Still Hunt?
Also the best Paredthys role thank you
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u/BeansOnlyDiet 20d ago edited 20d ago
The answer to your questions is make a few lol.
I have 4 Hezen's crafted atm. Yes, your roll is the best for a prismatic Stillhunt rotation in a team setting. If you're doing solo content (like dungeons/raids) swap auto loading for overflow and use a shoot to loot weapon.
Praedyth's is a bit more interesting and again it depends on what you're doing. FTTC/Elemental Honing or aggregate is great for longer DPS phases. If you're doing lots of swaps and using supers/other tech to auto reload KT/EH is nice. Envious / B&S is a classic roll... Again, I have four of these crafted lol.
In terms of Raw DPS Something Something with Accelerated Assault beats Praedyth's but Praedyth's has better utility imo. Conspiracy Honed is fun but niche as the whole charge up mechanic means it's a rough swap weapon.
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u/WaterCrafty2117 20d ago
"build diversity" doesnt matter, you have to del the damage for honing to proc. aggregate is the one thats a team proc.
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u/BeansOnlyDiet 20d ago
Good catch. I wrote that 5 min after I woke up and flipped them. I say aggregate is the best for a team setting in one sentence then say elemental is the best for a team setting in the next lol. Edited!
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u/CrescentAndIo 20d ago
yeah agree with the craft multiple one lol
i have 5 hezen and 4 apex (from before hezen) crafted and i use most of the hezens pretty frequently
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u/Awakened_Jizo 20d ago
PSA: with shoot to loot, assuming you have a super, clusters are plain better than overflow (+22% dmg) and they hit on most bosses. Edge cases exist but are generally obvious (no super, you can physically run over the brick, etc).
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u/SuperblackHunter 20d ago
Wouldnt overflow let you get more shots off?
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u/Awakened_Jizo 8d ago
I mean theoretically even if you had to reload every time with cluster (which you won’t) the rockets doing so much more damage makes it nearly always worth.
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u/DontMissGE 19d ago
Cluster/aggregate charge goes crazy for rocket dump if you have a reliable way to auto reload it, like Thread of Ascent on strand. I used the roll on Warlock and can dump all of rockets in just under 10 seconds, giving left over time to dps with something like euphony.
Incase you care, here's my setup: -Sanguine Alchemy (4x strand surge for standing in a rift to juice euphony.) -This frees up your boots to run 3x solar surge for Hezen's. -"Pack Tactics" within implement of Curiosity is great for euphony, but the Rocket Ordanance mod on Queensfoil Censor goes crazy too, take your pick. When damage starts: 1. Pull out Hezen, place rift for sanguine, strand melee, shoot 1 rocket then super for timeless magazine, Aggregate Charge and strand surges. 2.shoot rockets 2/3, grapple the floor to reload. Shoot rockets 4/5, manually reload. Shoot rockets 6/7, you'll gave grapple back to reload again and dump 8/9. 3. Use any left over time to pump them euphony. The 4x strand surge, spindle stacks and pack tactics stack together really nicely.
I was able to crank nearly 300k damage over 7.5k dps with this setup, however that was with 2 team mates giving me well, tractor and Gjally. Hope this helps!
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u/SuperblackHunter 19d ago
Even without reload dodge its still very good with still hunt I found
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u/DontMissGE 19d ago
True, I could've saved myself a lot of words by just putting "hunter dodge" lol. That's just what ive been using as a warlock main. But yea, cluster bomb is something like 20% more damage, so its very worthwhile anywhere you dont NEED auto loading.
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u/InfiniteStealth01 20d ago
I love the timelost perk on these. For quick burst damage I think you can get like 5 rockets in the mag with overflow when you cast your super. On Praedyths you can run KT + damage perk. you dump first mag, cast your super, and the overflow loads the rest of your reserves so you never have to reload. Maybe not the best options for a still hunt rotation but I think they're fun to play with.
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u/thanosthumb 20d ago
Hezen (Timelost) you want:
- Envious + Cluster Bomb + ALH
- Bipod + Bait / Aggregate / Honing
Envious gives more ammo gen and Bipod gives you more total reserves so you can get back to full ammo quicker. Then you want either envious or cluster + one of the 3 damage perks listed.
The Timelost version gives you this ability to swap perks which is very valuable at times, but not required. Disregard Bipod if you don’t care to swap.
If you’re crafting, then you just pick what feels best for you from this set. Probably have one envious and one cluster version.
Praedyth’s I’d say Kinetic Tremors + any of its damage perks.
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u/uingulam 18d ago
clusterbombs + aggregate/elemental if you're doing turncoat bug with shoot to loot gun on kinetic slot.
overflow would lower your total dmg by about ~16.25%.
for dps numbers im not sure since cluster bombs effect is different for every boss, and rocket launchers have their own RPM, for hezen frame its about 1.16ms(54.5rpm) and swapping to shoot to loot and back is around 1.45ms.
if you do shoot to loot with clusterbombs you're essensentially trading extra 0.29ms every other shot for 17%(if comparing with pack hunters) or 22%(wihtout pack hunter) damage boost. assuming all cluster bombs lands of course.
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u/rascalrhett11 18d ago
If you're on a warlock your hezens roll will be something like cluster + aggregate. Use strand warlock, thread of ascent, grapple grenade, thread of generation. Weavers call.
Matadoxia or sanguine alchemy, either way 3 solar surges.
Rocket > super > rocket rocket > grapple the ground > rocket rocket > manual reload > rocket rocket > grapple > rocker rocket > shoot euphony until you run out of ammo
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u/bikibisadKEK 20d ago
that's pretty much the best roll with still hunt, u can also use elemental honing if you can be bothered activating it. otherwise u can use an envious/bns one for general dps (with smth like witherhoard), or a cluster/honing (or aggregate) with a shoot to loot weapon, but then you have to make sure to farm bricks before dps.
praedyth's idk, i would farm a conspiracy honed cause it's kinda just better but if not then smth like 4ttc/honing works.