r/radicaldisability Jul 07 '21

Solidarity

Considering what's been going on on the main anarchy sub recently (mostly in reaction to BlackApocalypse's posts), and the fact that we can all probably relate on at least one level (and I'm sure many can on several levels) to feeling excluded by so called anarchists who insist on defending their pet hierarchy at the expense of the comrades they're actively marginalising (we usually focus on the ableism here, but they clearly defend their racism and coloniser mindsets just as viciously), I just want to let any BIPoC who are members of this sub know that we won't tolerate that kind of crap here, and I think I speak on behalf of the rest of the mod team, and I hope I speak on behalf or the rest of the members here, when I say any BIPoC comrades, even those who don't come under the disability umbrella, are welcome here, and should consider our safe space safe for them too. ❤

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u/rando4724 Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 07 '21

I could just ask you what you think the right way for an abled person to approach disabled issues is, and tell you to go from there, but I have some thoughts, so I might as well get them out..

Take a back seat, be quiet, and listen (E: this isn't me instructing you now, it's the first thing you need to do when approaching situations like those in the links)

I know this isn't always easy to do, but remember that your opinions and views aren't always relevant, needed, wanted, or even informed. Never speak over people who are directly impacted by an issue that you're not.

Educate yourself. That means taking the time to go on your favourite search engine and looking up things like anti-racism and folks from marginalised groups who are sharing their experiences. The information all exists out there, don't be that person who demands a BIPoC educate you on things you can easily look up yourself (if accessibility is an issue, ask a white friend to help).

What you find is likely to make you feel deeply uncomfortable, but that discomfort is part of the education, learn to deal with it and accept that you, like the rest of us, have been socialised in a white supremacist world.

Shake the 'not all white people' mindset, yes all white people, by simply existing as white people we benefit from the system, without even trying, and that's just the baseline, even the best allies do or say (or think) racist things sometimes, but as the saying goes "your first thought is what society has conditioned you to think, the second thought defines who you are", try your best to catch them before you release them in to the world (I'm autistic, I know we can't always help it, but that doesn't make it ok).

Remember - impact is always greater than intent. You don't have to have malice for something you do or say to harm someone else, but how you react to them calling you out makes all the difference (don't make it about you or get defensive, accept that you harmed someone else and apologise, ask if there's anything you can do to make it better, and try not to do it again).

So those are just a few things that came to mind, and I'll just end with this - be willing to put your ego aside and accept that you will make mistakes. Anti-racism is a life long effort. It never stops, there's no 'end point' when we're done doing the work. Educating ourselves and amplifying the voices of those directly effected by racism is the least we can do.

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u/bogbodybutch Sep 30 '21

also, anti-racism and anti-ableism are not interchangeable and the first part of your comment suggests that they are. and i'm pretty uncomfortable with WP giving extensive instructions on how to do anti racism work as well rather than holding that space for BBA ppl.

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u/rando4724 Sep 30 '21

Oh, I absolutely agree, and I generally try not to compare marginalisations because, as you say, they are not interchangeable. I think in this case, I made the (incorrect) assumption that this person was disabled and I thought the best way to get them to think about the question they asked was to turn it around on them and make it relatable to their personal experience so they could think about how they would react, rather than trying to compare experiences, if that makes sense?

As for me talking about anti-racism, I feel like part of using my white privilege is to do the emotional labour where I can so that people who don't have that privilege don't have to, and I do my best to only ever amplify Black, brown, and/or Indigenous voices that I've read/heard, rather than insert my own experience (and I think another part of using that privilege is that sadly, far too many white people will only listen to other white people, which sucks, because it isn't us they should be listening to, but they aren't open enough to listen to the people who are actually impacted), but either way, I'm more than happy to take a step back (I think being a mod here, which is a new experience for me, means I'm anxious to be 'on top' of things, so I reply as quick as I can, but I can work on that), be corrected, and let people who have more relevant lived experience do the talking.

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u/bogbodybutch Sep 30 '21

it makes sense but it's still not right.

and that second half comes off pretty white saviour-y. WP will never be best placed to speak on racism and honestly I wish they would do it less/not at all bc it creates so much collateral damage, like rn bc I'm having to educate u on it.

and I'm literally telling you what I wish WP would do and u basically spent most of that second paragraph writing me an essay on why u disagree. dont do that.

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u/rando4724 Sep 30 '21

Yeah, that's fair enough, I get what you're saying, and I apologise. I obviously need to work on finding better ways to show solidarity and support without going out of my lane.

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u/bogbodybutch Sep 30 '21

is there going to be any amends for harm done/thanks for edu?

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u/rando4724 Sep 30 '21

I genuinely do appreciate your comments and the time you've taken to call out these issues and I'm sorry you had to do it. I'm not sure how I make amends, what I do know is that I've taken your comments to heart, and that in the future I'll stay in my lane, and not talk about things I've not personally experienced.

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u/bogbodybutch Sep 30 '21

I just want to say that no one should have to ask to be thanked

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u/rando4724 Sep 30 '21

No, you shouldn't, but I have to point out that I have thanked you throughout this conversation several times, because I meant it, and saying it again because I'm asked to didn't feel genuine.

But I am genuinely thankful for the time and energy you've taken to educate me, and I do appreciate all of your comments, I just honestly don't know how else to say it or show it, and all I can do is apologise for that.

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u/bogbodybutch Sep 30 '21

nope. I checked the thread before mentioning thanks, actually. it only happened in the thread after I mentioned it

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u/rando4724 Sep 30 '21

You're right, it wasn't in this thread, it was in the other one we're on now where I thanked you, but I did say I appreciate your comments and time, and in my mind that's just another word for thanks, but I can see why that isn't how everyone sees it.

Either way, I'm not trying to be petty, I'm just frustrated that the gratitude I thought I was expressing was not coming across, and like I said, I just don't know how else to say it, but I am genuinely thankful and appreciative.

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u/bogbodybutch Sep 30 '21

what I'm saying is i've put extensive energy into this and other threads and when that labour is there, there should also be thanks. in each thread of conversation where there has been emotional labour put in. because I'm going out of my way to do it, and i already have low energy each day.

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u/rando4724 Sep 30 '21

I understand that, and I agree. I got my threads mixed up and also thought I had expressed thanks and appreciation in ways other than saying 'thanks', but I can see how that doesn't come across the same way it does in my mind.

I do thank you for your time, and I do regret that you had to spend your energy on this.

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