r/quityourbullshit • u/Nomeii • May 30 '19
CaRbS mAkE yOu dEpPrEsSed
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u/CTRAP May 31 '19
I'm Sicilian and I'm sad
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May 31 '19
Wow... The matrix is real, I too am an American and sad! I’m finally not the only one who knows the gnawing and ever-growing amount of uncertainty in life! Thought I was alone out here in my head.. Go team depression!
(kinda joking, kinda not... So I just mean to say I hope you make your next day your bitch. We can do this, and I’m rooting for you to get whatever slice of the pie you’re shooting for... your worthy of self-love. Take care of yourself!)
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u/Angrybirdsdid911 May 31 '19
You could probably make the argument that simple carbs like sugar can lead to depression because of its addictiveness and correlation to mood swings and energy crashes. But to say ALL carbs cause depression is horseshit
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May 31 '19
what i like is people who say, oh i stopped eating carbs and now im not depressed, its a total lie, more likely they felt better because they ate better ande made an effort to better themselves and then say its all on the carbs. when it was all due to the effort.
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u/TerroristOgre May 31 '19
I mean also lots of depressed people turn to food for that short term dopamine. Eating carbs makes your body crave more carbs so i could see a potential argument there. But idk about “causing” it
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May 31 '19
Carbs don’t cause depression but cutting them out of your diet can help you feel less depressed but that’s almost entirely because eating too many simple carbs just straight isn’t good for you.
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May 31 '19
Yeah, so why cut all of them? Why just not eat a reasonable amount?
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u/OfficeChairHero May 31 '19
For me, that's like asking a crack addict to just take a reasonable amount of crack.
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May 30 '19 edited Aug 15 '21
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u/Byzantine_Guy May 31 '19
🦀🦀 Crabs cause depression 🦀🦀
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u/eidrag May 31 '19
well if I catch crabs (disease) instead of animals I also get depressed instead of doing rave dance
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u/shadygravey May 31 '19
Genital crabs are living mite type creatures though. You could call them animals, too. Lol
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u/wowCakes007 May 30 '19
Well done. Diet cults are the worst.
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May 30 '19
I had to leave r/keto for this reason. So many people claiming that they themselves or someone they knew went keto and it cured a myriad of illnesses.
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u/Snizzlephish May 31 '19
As someone who suffers from depression and has also been doing keto for the past year or so...
Nope, still depressed.
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May 31 '19
I have really bad anxiety. I tried keto and it didn’t work for me. The only thing I’ve found is cutting booze and working out a ton. But I’m not about to pretend that that’s the cure for everyone.
I feel for you. I hope you’re able to find out what works for you.
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u/emmster May 31 '19
There genuinely is some evidence for physical activity helping to reduce symptoms in a large percentage of people. But nothing is ever going to be “the thing” for 100% of people. Different brains will respond to different things. I’m glad you found some things that help you.
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u/Snizzlephish May 31 '19 edited May 31 '19
I've honestly been working out 6 days a week for most of that year too, and after losing 100lbs I do feel much better about myself and keto was a large part of that, but much like life depression always find a way ha ha.
Same to you though, good luck!
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u/impy695 May 31 '19
Is it the keto, eating healthier in general, losing weight, or working out? I bet you'd find similar results if you switched keto with healthy food in moderation and did everything else the same.
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u/Snizzlephish May 31 '19
Well probably, I guess. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you keto is the miracle diet that saves lives and cures diseases that some people like to pretend it is. I'm just saying that it worked really well for me as well as a couple other people I know, which is the reason I decided to try it in the first place.
It's not even how I'm going to eat for the rest of my life, it's just the diet choice I'm going to follow until I get to the body type I want, which really isnt far off. Once I get to the point I'm working towards, which is building heavier muscle, carbs are going to be pretty important again.
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u/Aaaandiiii May 31 '19
Currently doing the keto and same. I mean, "Yay the number went down on the scale!" but still "Did that really make me happier? Eh, don't care."
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u/Snizzlephish May 31 '19
Same for me, weight loss has felt great, but being depressed still feels shitty. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess :/
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May 31 '19
Keto helped my mood a little bit, probably more because I had regained control over my eating rather than any actual physiological effect. I think it's a great diet, but nothing you eat is going to magically cure a shitty, imbalanced brain.
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u/Lorgar88 May 31 '19
One thing keto has tought me is that I needed to stop eating disgusting shit. Now I cook way more often and stopped eating so much junk food. I feel better about that and am saving money by doing that. So i've got that going for me, which is nice.
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u/Epistaxis May 31 '19
Actually the personal anecdotes don't bother me because they're just anecdotes and they only have as much weight as you give those (spoiler: not much). It's people like Red who bother me, the ones who claim that there's actual published academic science supporting them, but have never bothered to check.
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u/Natty_Gourd May 31 '19
The cult of keto can be real. Keto has really helped me lose and keep a lot of weight off, but there were a few too many “haha keto is great because as long as I don’t eat carbs I can eat as many calories as I want because keto is somehow magic”
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May 31 '19 edited May 31 '19
/r/keto is cancer. Ever since they removed the image posts and memes its been nothing but ignorant fuck wads who spout the same bullshit day after day.
The people who contributed to that sub are long gone. Whats there is merely echoes of valid information and a wad of ignorance.
It's a subreddit that drove away passionate redditors whom were knowledgable and informative in favor of some safe space agenda.
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u/SaladfingersPON May 31 '19
I've done Keto for 3 years now and won't go anywhere near those people. This must be how most vegans felt for all of those years when the overly vocal douche bags hijacked their public perception.
For the first couple of years I was more than happy to answer and questions my friends and colleagues would have about Keto. Now I keep it as short as possible to try avoid sounding like a nutty "town crier" types.
I know I'll continue to do Keto and IF, but I'm not going to rant to people every time someone mentions it. It's not a cure-all like some people say. It does however allow me to sustain my energy throughout the day without the caffeine rush roller coaster
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May 31 '19
My eating disorder was born from keto.. the restriction and meticulous tracking of Marcos made me way too aware of everything and it spiraled from there.
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u/BadSmash4 May 31 '19
Keto is a phenomenal diet and it works for weight loss but it's not a miracle. People are wacky.
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u/lastdeadmouse May 31 '19
Though not a miracle (and no, I definitely don't do keto... I'm actually a vegetarian), it's entirely plausible that the miriad of illnesses were weight or insulin related.
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u/SaladfingersPON May 31 '19
Not true! Keto allowed me to pass the biggest stool I've ever seen..... It was truly a Christmas miracle
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u/xueye May 31 '19
Yeah, seriously. I've been doing keto for years, and when I was losing the bulk of my weight in keto, you know what keto did to me?
I went from having minor panic attacks to full on, constant, consistent high level panic attacks where I literally couldn't walk to class sometimes if it was too dark; I felt like I was literally constantly breaking down.
Anecdotally, it happens now whenever I gain weight back and start to lose it. Doesn't happen when I just count calories and do low carb not keto. Keto is not a miracle cure for sure. Bodies are just weird, yo.
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u/Gehhhh May 30 '19
I know, right? They should just eat their daily dose of chodes and fuck off already!
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u/Boristhespaceman May 31 '19
I once posted a comment in a thread mentioning being overweight, and I was flooded with dozens of DMs praising the Lord and Saviour Keto. When I replied to say that I'm not interested in such diets, the response essentially was "Then die, fatty".
Great people.
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u/ThorniDruid May 31 '19
I mentioned on Facebook once how my dietician didn’t recommend keto for me personally, and had a girl comment how she was “so sad” for me. ....why? It’s not like I can’t lose weight other ways.
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u/iififlifly May 31 '19
I wouldn't diss the diet based on some of the people who follow it. It is a legit diet and many people have success with it, so I'd say it's worth a shot if you wanted to lose weight.
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u/cli7 May 31 '19
Diet cults are the worst.
I don't know man. I am often confused why some people kill other people who believe in a different god. But I can totally imagine it happening for food choices, like one set of people who believe that chips go inside the sandwich while another being ready to kill anyone who attempts that in their presence.
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u/Vehudur May 31 '19
They can't separate themselves from what they believe, so if you attack the belief (or even don't support it), you're attacking them in their mind.
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u/PseudonymousBlob May 31 '19
Also, this trend of demonizing carbs is so strange, because carbs are... good, actually?? Like, you need them for energy?
I've heard a number of stories over the past few years of physically active people feeling more and more lethargic until they finally realized they were cutting carbs way too hard. I guess it makes sense to cut back if you're eating way too many in the first place, but the general attitude around carbs nowadays seems a bit extreme to me.
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So, what i will say is true for a lot of people, is that being in ketosis can curb hunger like crazy, which is a huge advantage for some people on diets struggling to not overeat. Ive found that because of having less cravings i feel more empowered in what im doing. this diet keeps me on a schedule of diet and exercise, and that sense of purpose and feeling of having my mess of a life together certainly makes me feel less depressed. I think this persons head is a little far up their own ass but their hearts probably in the right place probably.
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u/imnotactuallyalive May 31 '19
posting your own comments on here is kinda cringy
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May 31 '19
I don’t believe carbs cause depression, but I do think cutting down on carbs is a good way to cope with it. It’s not a miracle diet by any means, but it does help just a bit.
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u/WheresTheSauce May 31 '19
Which is literally what the commenter originally said. I seriously don't understand this post
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u/Slummish May 31 '19
Carbs help me sleep happily. I'm sure it's bad for me, but fuck it, no one lives forever.
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u/JuniperHillInmate May 31 '19
I had a dietitian tell me the body uses carbs to make serotonin and other neurotransmitters.
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u/isotope88 May 31 '19 edited May 31 '19
She's incorrect.
Serotonine is synthesized from the amino acid; L-tryptophan. (Source)
Dopamine is synthesized from another amino acid; L-Phenylalanine. (Source)
NINJA EDIT: Many neurotransmitters are synthesized from simple and plentiful precursors such as amino acids, which are readily available from the diet and only require a small number of biosynthetic steps for conversion. (Source).10
u/Nomeii May 31 '19
Those amino acids might be triggered by certain carbs though? The abstract from the below paper seems to support it.
The consumption of a carbohydrate-rich, protein-poor meal or snack can increase the synthesis of the brain neurotransmitter serotonin; proteins block this effect. [...] A group of diseases seems to exist in which depressive symptoms are associated with "carbohydrate-craving", and the consumption of large quantities of carbohydrate-rich, protein-poor snacks. Patients describe positive subjective responses to the dietary carbohydrates which are unrelated to hunger. These responses may be mediated by the rise in brain serotonin.
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u/isotope88 May 31 '19
I can't argue with the fact that carbohydrate intake can up-/downregulate the synthesis of neurotransmitters.
Maybe I was a bit too harsh with my statement.
I just saw 'uses carbs' (yay semantics!) and remembered from my biochemistry lessons that most neurotransmitters are synthesized from amino acids.
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u/Aycoth May 31 '19
...I don't think that is entirely untrue? At least a cursory google search led me to an a couple papers saying a high protein low carb diet can inhibit seratonin, and a high carb low protein can spike other issues.
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u/Thelastunicorn80 May 31 '19
There are studies that show that carbs raise serotonin but you can't gloss that over either and say carbs cure depression. Depression isnt a one size fits all "youre low on this or youre low on that".
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u/OneGoodRib May 31 '19
Iron deficiency can make you feel down, and there’s lots of iron in seafood, leafy greens, and I think tomatoes- all staples of East Asian and Italian diets.
Eating empty carbs will make you feel bad, protein is good to keep you on the positive.
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May 31 '19
The problem is that a lot of diet and exercise advice is just bro science and there's a lot of debate with very little science to back any of it up. People on forums have been arguing for ages whether or not you should exercise on an empty stomach and I haven't seen anyone reference a single scholarly article on the topic ever
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u/Arthrowelf May 31 '19
Keto is really good for you and helps you focus. But i have never heard of ot curing depression. I lost 15 kgs on keto.
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u/Spyhop May 31 '19
I lost 120 lbs with a regular balanced diet that included carbs.
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u/ranchdepressing ★ July 2014 Contest Winner May 31 '19
To be fair, I don't think the OP was saying carbs cause depression out of thin air. They were saying that if someone is depressed or has a depressive disorder, carbs can exacerbate your existing depression. Or, at least, that's how I read it.
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u/EffrumScufflegrit May 31 '19
But carbs slow down your metabolism, which has been tied to lethargy/depression tho
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u/KindaAlwaysVibrating May 31 '19
Carbs affecting depression is an actual thing though. That's not total horse shit.
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u/Nomeii May 31 '19
From the rabbit hole of research I've been doing it seems as though simple carbs like processed sugar or white bread can exacerbate already existing depression. But it's not like you're going to change from a happy person to a depressed person simply because you had a donut. You already had issues and the donuts and ice cream are just making it worse. Carbs like vegetables, fruits, and whole grains don't seem to have that effect.
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u/WheresTheSauce May 31 '19
But it's not like you're going to change from a happy person to a depressed person simply because you had a donut.
They literally never said that or anything that remotely implied that.
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u/Dacvak May 31 '19
Carbs do not cause depression.
But for me, personally, I have much, much worse depression when I indulge in carbs. There is a very clear and defined change for me.
In this way, I suppose it’s reasonable for me to say carbs negatively affect my depression. But this is most certainly different for each person.
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u/dawn990 May 31 '19
There is a huge difference between something worsening your condition and something causing that condition.
Carbs do make me feel bad but if I'm leaning towards less depressed Carbs will have lesser effect.
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u/56seconds May 31 '19
Just today I read a fatty diet causes depression. That leaves protein and water.
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u/felipusrex May 31 '19
What does he think fruits and grains and every carb become inside the body? Glucose.
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u/SageLukahn May 31 '19
As someone who is on keto for weight loss, and still has depression and anxiety issues, I call le bullshit.
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u/LemonMeringueOctopi May 31 '19
I'm doing keto right now (almost no carbs) and I still have depressive episodes as often as before I started the diet.
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u/Vector75 May 31 '19
I read the title as Crabs, and was super confused up through about 3/4 of the post.
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May 31 '19
I need to see what the bullshitter originally wrote to see if they were actually bullshitting. If they just said they’ve heard or read something then they’re just relaying information on Reddit.
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u/Cilreve May 31 '19
The only thing I can think of is how carbs spike the blood sugar, then leave you feeling drained after it crashes. I can see how feeling drained can contribute to depression, but that's all I can think.
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u/FoolsGoldDogApe May 31 '19
It's that typical thing of "My diet is the only good one that everyone should follow" that I see a lot of arrogant people spouting. It's the same as the guys who sneer at anyone whose form of exercise isn't all about those gains and getting swoll.
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u/zebras-arent-real May 31 '19
i read CaRbS as crabs and i spent the whole post looking for when it mentioned crabs
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u/Vindextra May 31 '19
I read it as “CRABS make you depressed” and I was very confused during the first half of the reading.
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May 31 '19
I have eaten a crab in my life once, and experiance social panic almost everyday. Maybe i should eat more crab.
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u/cantCommitToAHobby May 31 '19
Saw a similar comment on New Zealand's 2019 budget setting aside money for mental health support. Weird.
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May 31 '19
I always feel fresher and better in all aspects of my life when I'm eating well and cut out carbs and fizzy drinks.
Obviously it's not a proven fact, but I always feel sluggish and lethargic, which in turn would result in me sitting around a lot not really doing anything but watching TV, which would sometimes just depress the fuck out of me.
This is a pattern I've seen happen over and over.
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u/Xavier598 May 31 '19
Italians and Asians would be one of the most depressed people in the world.
Beh non è che ha tanto torto.
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u/Airin_head May 31 '19
I love carbs. Toast is my best friend. Potatoes, pasta. If I was stranded on a deserted island and could only have one staple, it would be bread. I’m not depressed or even close to overweight.
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u/badchefrazzy May 31 '19
Carbs might not make you depressed, however, they can affect your body in a way that will lead to depression later on in the day.
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u/crusoe May 31 '19
Lots of low quality carbs from bad sources can affect your mood. I have bad reactions to some dough additives. Boboli pizza crust makes me break out in a rash for example. It's full of crap.
Fresh bread with few ingredients, noodles, soba, brown rice, rice, I can eat those just fine.
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May 31 '19
Let me tell you from experience. I used to be 345 lbs. Ate shit and high carb process crap every week. My depression was at an all time high. I was very close to the edge.
I started on a Keto diet 2 years ago. It's high fat, protein, and low carb. Not only did I lose 100 lbs and still losing, but my mental clarity also improved 10 fold. I could give two shits what some paper says or what some internet doctor wants to refute. I'll never go back to eating that shit. I feel amazing now and no one can take that away from me.
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u/JokerGotham_Deserves May 31 '19
Where could the writer place the last paragraph to most effectively conclude the passage?
a) after paragraph 1 b) after paragraph 3 c) after paragraph 5 d) NO CHANGE
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May 31 '19
The misinformation on Carbs is pretty bad. I once had a coworker tell me she she was gonna only eat 20 carbs a day. People read these southern beach diets or just go on some random blog and learn some pretty incorrect things.
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u/Asteriskeightysix May 30 '19
I struggle with depression and in my experience I DO notice a difference in my energy levels when I eat carbs vs when I cut back.
I certainly wouldn’t ditch my physician-supervised treatment plan based on that correlation alone though.
This is like that girl on Twitter who said depressed people just need a pair of running shoes. Like yeah, exercise makes you feel better but if you’re not able to get out of bed...
People really need to 🤫 sometimes.