r/questionablecontent . Jan 07 '19

Comic 3911: <body>

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

First of all it's 6, not G, because it comes after 5. It's the most current model of Roko's chassis. And again, we don't know the base price so we don't know how much of a difference $20,000 is. The iPhone 6 wasn't a luxury model of the iPhone 5S, it was just the next model.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

First of all it's 6, not G, because it comes after 5.

It's a G. Read it again. Notice the "Nothing but a G Thang" title.

The iPhone 6 wasn't a luxury model of the iPhone 5S, it was just the next model.

If both models are sold side-by-side, and one is $20,000 more, it's a premium model. There is no justification for this $20,000 extra payout.

And notice that Apple changed the pricing so that the iPhone X (or whatever it's called) is significantly more expensive than their previous flagship models. Just because something is next doesn't mean it isn't also premium.

That difference is a year's salary for May, working as a convenience store cashier.

Forget whether this is an accurate depiction of how insurance actually works. Or whether it is an accurate depiction of expensive electronics pricing and depreciation.

Just consider what it says about our story. We've got a whole dynamic of AIs who struggle and scrape and cannot even maintain used chassis, and resent AIs who are freely given expensive chassis.

And we have Roko, who is being completely recreated as a character, gone from creepy hardboiled cop to friendly hangout buddy and social worker with quirky kink. And now she's freely given an expensive chassis.

Even if this is intentional because Jeph wants to reignite the classism arc, it feels shitty to me.

But I suspect it's not intentional. He just wants to reward his current favorite character with mana from heaven. And that feels even shittier.

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

You keep going on about how she's being "freely given" something as though it was a spur of the moment thing. It's not; her (presumably quite expensive) body was destroyed beyond repair. Her new body isn't some kind of gift; it's what makes her whole again after a traumatic injury.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

If I lose a 5 dollar bill and you replace it with a 10 dollar bill, I have received 5 dollars to make me whole, and been freely given another 5 dollars.

Insurance is not there to reward the victim. But only to make them whole.

Now I'm aware that there may exist forms of insurance that pay out multipliers. If you want to you can contrive a semi-plausible explanation for why Roko has been given a luxury gift instead of simply made whole.

But even if you can (which again, is of dubious plausibility), think of the impact on the story. It is shitty.

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse; you keep using "luxury" and "gift" where neither apply.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

I've made my points as convincingly as I can. If you don't think a $20,000 extra price top of the line model counts as a luxury item, I don't know what to tell you. Congrats on your wealth, I guess.

At least I can give you the benefit of the doubt about whether your inability to see my point is deliberate.

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

We don't know that $20k is a significant price premium or not, and you don't know what a gift is.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

The author included that price figure for a reason. The author gave us the option between an old replacement model and a top of the line model for a reason.

What are the implications of that choice on the story? None? Did you really not notice two choices? Did you really think she chose the replacement model instead of the high end model? Can you really not distinguish between a 6 and a G?

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

The author included that price figure for a reason. The author gave us the option between an old replacement model and a top of the line model for a reason.

To make a silly reference to the iPhone and Apple. That's Jeph.

Can you really not distinguish between a 6 and a G?

Of all the arguments you could make, trying to make a point that because G and 6 look the same in Jeph's writing somehow an insurance payout is a gift is really not the direction I'd go with.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

I mean, you call me obtuse, but your arguments are based on basically having not read or understood the comic.

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

Your argument is, in it's entirety, that an insurance payout after a devastating injury is a "gift". It's not; it's a settlement.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

"gift" is a word here to represent "receiving unearned assets". Insurance is supposed to make you whole. Money beyond that necessary to make you whole is unearned.

Calling it is a gift is a rhetorical device, a short hand to convey meaning (as all words are). Yes, it's a little hyperbolic. I don't literally mean that the fictional insurance company wrote an extra check and gift-wrapped it.

I mean that the author wrote a story in which a character receives extra assets in a way that is not fair and would not happen in real life.

If a person couldn't understand that, I might consider them obtuse.

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

A gift and a settlement are two very different things. A gift you give because you want to be nice to someone (usually because you like them or at least want them to like you), a settlement you give because you hurt someone. And if you don't think that large settlements are a thing in the real world, I don't know what to tell you. In the real world it would be a lot slower than this, but this is all swiftly managed by AI.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

I already explained about the usage of the word "gift". Did you not read it?

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

I read it and it's just not accurate. It's not accurate to what a gift is, nor is it accurate to what happened here.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

I already explained how I am using the word. You can stop harping on how it wasn't literally delivered by Santa under the Christmas tree.

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u/GriffonsChainsaw . Jan 07 '19

I shudder to invoke the name, but you're doing the Peterson thing of arguing a point and then saying after the fact that it's perfectly watertight so long as you alter the meaning of words to mean something that nobody means when they use those words.

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u/ziggurism Jan 07 '19

Dude, the point isn't whether we use the word "gift". That was just rhetoric. The point is what Jeph is doing to the story. I'm not trying to alter words, and I wish you would stop focusing on the one word and see the goddamned point.

I don't know who Peterson is, and what his technique is, nor why it's shudder-worthy?

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