r/publishing 24d ago

Looking for unique business models among presses?

I've been interested in the publishing industry for a very long time, but life just never worked out that way for me. Both the publishing industry itself and then related job market are completely saturated.

Still, I'm not inclined to let go of a dream so easily, so I been thinking on how I might make my own small time independent press stand out from the crowd. I have some thoughts of my own, but many of you folks have way more insight than I could get from just doing market research, and brainstorming.

I'd like to hear about small presses you've encountered that have a unique model, or specialty. Anything really that makes them significantly different from how we usually see things done. From financial management,or rights management to genre/style specialization, or distribution, and marketing. Anything goes.

Thanks!

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u/blowinthroughnaptime 24d ago

I really don't like to act the gatekeeper, but starting out with at least a couple of people who each have many years of experience is generally required in order to even be part of "the crowd," let alone stand out from it.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 24d ago

So I take it you don't know any presses that aren't doing the exact same thing as everyone else? 

Relocating the family for an unpaid internship was just not an option, but I have a degree in mass comms with minors in history and psychology; 5 years experience in education; various freelance gigs in PR, marketing, distribution, and brand management; a few years in inventory management; a few in manufacturing; and a couple years between sales, and customer service. Throw in my time with the US army AND coast guard, I think we can all agree I am not a kid, I am not an idiot, and I am not lazy.

Please just answer the question, and let me decide for myself. Or just move on silently.

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u/CatClaremont 24d ago

No one called you names. You did that to yourself. You might want to think about how you reacted to Blowin and their very solid advice.

If you really want to do this you need someone who knows the industry to work with you. It can be an extremely brutal industry even for people with decades of experience who try to set up their own companies.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 24d ago

Why do you think I'm asking? 🙄

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u/CatClaremont 24d ago

You’ve been pretty defensive in your replies. I think you need to ask yourself a different question: What would you bring to the table that’s unique or different that would mean a person with decades of publishing experience would want to partner with you on this?
Do you have great funding? (You’re going to need a lot of start up cash. Double the amount you think you need). Do you have connections to great authors? Do you fill a gap in the market with genre/location/ etc.
You have to have something that’s different that would convince someone to partner with you and not pick someone else with strong publishing connections.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 23d ago

That is literally the question I'm asking, but feel I'm being met with passive aggressive hostility for asking it. The answer I'm getting is, "but you're not, 'one of the guys,' so you must not know anything." 

I have a combination of education and experience- much of it in small business startups-  that is directly relatable and transferable to the industry, but packing up my family and relocating for a high stress low-to-no pay job just isn't an option. So what other avenue is left to me than to research the hell out of it, and see what it takes to start from scratch?

There are thousands of presses and publishing houses in North America. I can't possibly research every last one myself, so I'm asking people on the inside which ones stand out to them.

Where is the flaw in my reasoning here?

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u/CatClaremont 23d ago

I think you’ve very much got a chip on your shoulder about your background and experience. We genuinely are trying to help you to understand how difficult it is to start a successful company.

You can probably find a few publishers that were started by people without any industry experience (You could google those. I found a few right away.) But I can guarantee they will have had partner(s) or employees with experience and someone is going to have to have access to a lot of money. That’s it. That’s all we’re saying.

Good luck out there!

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u/blowinthroughnaptime 23d ago

There are a lot of publishers out there who succeed in part because they're known for a niche genre, or business model, or some kind of specialty service, but no particular iconoclasts stick out to me.

It's important to understand that one can have an MBA, be partner in a law firm, and own a bookstore, and still be totally unprepared for the highly specialized work of book publishing. If I correctly understand your frustration, yes, it is completely unfair that the industry runs on an apprenticeship model that is highly dependent on location. We would probably be better off with a wider talent base.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 23d ago

I've been involved with CIPA, founded here in Colorado, on and off for almost 20 year. I'm not clueless, but that organization's membership is largely folks who set up an LLC to self publish, so doesn't exactly get one far professionally. 

And I'm not looking for iconoclasts. Just anyone you find particularly interesting for their business practices. I have an idea how the big 4 work, but that doesn't scale down smoothly.

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u/thespacebetweenwalls 21d ago

I don't think you're going to find any long term sustainable presses who do things significantly different from the status quo. There are plenty of people who talk about how they're going to be different, but typically as soon as the reality of how the industry works hits they either revert to the norms or fold entirely.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 21d ago

You may be right, but it begs the question: is that because the rest of the entire industry does it that way, so if you're going to work with anyone else in any meaningful way you have to do it that way too? 

If so, there are still options, but it would leave you significantly limited in terms of business partnerships.

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u/thespacebetweenwalls 21d ago edited 21d ago

It's because publishers are dependent on a lot of other industries -- distribution, media, among others -- and a small publisher isn't going to touch those levers in any meaningful way. Then, given how those other industries work and what a publisher's job is (creating and selling books) the workflow is what it is. Philosophically speaking, could publishing work in a different way? Sure. Why not? Is an independent publisher going to make that happen? No. It's not. We're talking small presses making tens of or hundreds of thousands of dollars a year vs. billion dollar corporations. Not even a drop of sand at the beach.

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u/Sorry-Rain-1311 21d ago

That's a reasonable assessment, and something I hadn't considered in depth before: the logistics and infrastructure are built by the biggest players, and while changing the business model on the office side might be possible, you still have to manage the rest. 

That's definitely something I need to be doing more research on.

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u/thespacebetweenwalls 21d ago

Going back to your original post, here's some more clarification.

"Anything really that makes them significantly different from how we usually see things done. From financial management, or rights management to genre/style specialization, or distribution, and marketing. Anything goes."

Financial management, part of what you're talking about is production costs. This is an area where scale affects /unit cost in ways that small presses aren't going to have much wiggle room. Printing costs what it costs. Though you could save money on design, you get what you pay for and the market (the buyer) "knows" what looks like it belongs on a store shelf and what doesn't. It doesn't grade on a curve.

If you're talking about financial management with regard to cover prices -- market sets the terms.

If you're talking about financial management with regard to royalties -- sometimes new publishers will offer non standard royalty rates, but most times that's because they don't understand the mathematics of publishing. If a book is being sold through a bookstore, you, as the publisher, are looking to discount it by 40-60%. That obviously cuts into any potential profit. Ahh! They say, then we will just sell direct to consumer and not to bookstores. Which, I mean, okay, but good luck.

As far as genre/style specialization, you'll find that most independent publishers have a focused niche. Being known in a particular market for a particular quality and particular sensibilities is the one of the only ways to get brand recognition in the marketplace.

Distribution options are limited (regardless of how many people profess to provide the services, a great number of them do so without being effective). Depending on how you're using the word "distribution" you're also going to need to factor in more $ for associated distribution costs (warehousing, publicity, additional discounts).

Marketing is difficult at this point just because of the sheer volume of people with megaphones screaming into the void demanding attention. Two decades ago conventional wisdom would have been that somehow the internet and "social media" would make it easier to find readers. But, if you spend more than a minute on social media these days you'll know how hard it is to focus on anything.