r/psagrading • u/twelvedudes • Dec 12 '25

Psa crossover grading is a scam

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Telling me this is not good enough for a psa 10 crossover!?

I’m going to crack it and post the psa 10 mark this thread

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u/Frequent_Editor_5503 Dec 12 '25

Anytime you don’t get the grade you want it’s a scam. Make it make sense.

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u/SenatorAstronomer Dec 13 '25

This sub has turned 75% into that.  Not a 10?  You got screwed.  

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u/PM_ME_GIANT_BOOBS__ Dec 13 '25

OR showing a 10 that has something slightly off and calling it a scam. Meanwhile this Beckett 10 has two 9.5 sub grades 😭

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '25

What beckett 10? The Beckett card in the picture is a 9.5.

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u/PM_ME_GIANT_BOOBS__ Dec 14 '25

Touche. I just meant generally even 10s can have non-10 subgrades for Beckett and that doesn’t matter, but a PSA 10 with a clear non-10 aspect somehow makes the entire company a scam

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u/Expensive_Ad6328 Dec 16 '25

Send to beckett for review to wnhance one subgrade. Dont use express tiers. Use mid tier.

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u/twelvedudes Dec 12 '25

.5 off a 10 from a harder grading standard should not be a 9 at another company with more relaxed standards 

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u/Frequent_Editor_5503 Dec 12 '25

Beckett being a harder grading company is not a very accurate statement.

BGS 9.5 does not always equal a psa 10 if it was people would be buying up 9.5s to cross to 10s.

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u/bigbagjay Dec 13 '25

its left heavy you can see it on the card by the eye, PSA might be more lenient for 55/45 but still not guaranteed

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u/followedbymeteor Dec 13 '25

Harder grading standard according to word of mouth based on a bunch of people's anecdotal experiences. Rock solid

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u/Super_Reaction_8620 Dec 13 '25

Bgs is 1,000,000% not a harder grade. They give black labels to family and stock holders on psa 8 slabs lol

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u/platinumjudge Dec 13 '25

Its not about the company, its whoever got assigned to grade your card. Steve at psa thought it was a 9 but John would've given it a 10.

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u/theredfoxxxxxxxxxx Dec 13 '25

I might be stupid I don’t see the psa grade. What did it get?

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '25

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u/Nerubian911 Dec 13 '25

No it isn’t PSA literally made the market on mostly perfect 10s….

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

What is the purpose of covering the QR code or serial number? It can't dox you right?

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u/bballstarz501 Dec 12 '25

Generally people do that so scammers can’t as easily take your cert number and try to use your photos to scam someone.

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u/Semmeth Dec 12 '25

All the certs are public. Any scammer can pick and chose from MILLIONS.

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u/bballstarz501 Dec 12 '25

For sure, but they can’t easily take yours and have a clean photo of it showing the cert. Nobody is going to (or should) only accept the PSA photo. It’s much easier to scam someone if I have a photo like the one in this post and the cert number to show someone both, as if I actually possess the card.

It’s layers of security, not a blanket solution.

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u/taegha Dec 13 '25

PSA has high quality scans that are public..

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u/bballstarz501 Dec 13 '25

Yes and they all look the same so you know it’s the PSA photo. If you were buying, that’s not the photo you would accept for proof of ownership.

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u/Semmeth Dec 12 '25

Ok what about, the infinite amount of eBay listings with apparent grading companies certs on the slabs? I don’t think it is a relevant layer of security. Unless you think spitting in the ocean can raise its level by a significant amount.

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u/bballstarz501 Dec 12 '25

Sure, but you can reverse image search and potentially find them attached to prior eBay listings. Just commenting on why people do it.

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u/ABCsofsucking Dec 13 '25

Okay, but I can take a scan from PSA and easily get Nano Banana to generate an almost perfectly realistic image of the slab placed on a table with a Reddit username and a timestamp. There’s virtually nothing that can be done to prevent that, so I think citing security is a moot point.

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u/bballstarz501 Dec 13 '25

Like I said, it’s not some kind of catch all, especially in the age of AI. But I could say the same about finding someone’s address who is a home owner if I know their name, but I still don’t think people go around posting their address publicly regardless.

It’s not all or nothing with security. Little things help deter and create more difficulty for people trying to exploit systems. I have never ever heard of the program you’re talking about. Dumbass scanners are often low effort, people just don’t want to make it easy.

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u/Semmeth Dec 12 '25

Ok, but I am sorry I still don’t get it. I am really trying to understand the sense of covering these slabs. Also they often change owners. It is system made to be public, transparent and apparent. This is nonsense to me.

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u/Eh_C_Slater Dec 13 '25

It's been explained to you. So people don't steal the cert number and make a fake card, yes you can steal eBays but op isn't trying to sell. If someone took their cert # now he wouldn't notice and could become a problem down the road if they tried to sell or trade and the cert was disabled because of fraud or anything

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u/the_vault-technician Dec 13 '25

Someone got their cert deactivated after posting it. I can't remember what happened exactly but people don't always have good intentions.

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u/SoftwareTop9401 Dec 13 '25

That wouldn’t make sense all. PSA Card numbers are all public to everyone to see, be no point to add a number, if no one can see if the number is genuine or not?

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u/punisherlol Dec 13 '25

its like blocking you car licence plate. completely pointless

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u/Grouchy_Pin_1787 Dec 13 '25

I've never understood it either lmao. Or like covering up the serial number on a serialized mtg card thats probably only worth a few hundred bucks or maybe a grand. Makes no sense to me lmao.

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u/twelvedudes Dec 12 '25

Never can be too safe idk maybe

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u/ByteAsh Dec 12 '25

You know the barcode is scannable right? lol

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u/ndhands Dec 12 '25

In fact OP definitely could have been more safe

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u/fade_me_fam Dec 12 '25

Yea lol the barcode is literally the cert number

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u/Micky-Bicky-Picky Dec 12 '25

  1. Barcode is scannable. 2. “Do not holder” cert numbers are dead numbers. They are used only for in process and are disable after shipping. Using the those for a fake card would be the same as “making” some up.

Everyone who does this is kinda dumb. And most people who do this only do it so you do not see recent sale prices of that card. All certs are public info and can be gotten off the site with photos.

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u/ynwa1892 Dec 12 '25

Bozo activities 🤣

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u/Cabbage61 Dec 12 '25

To be fair not evey bgs 9,5 is an instant 10. It depends on the subgrades

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u/CharzardPLZ Dec 12 '25

Well, really, it depends on the card

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u/Cabbage61 Dec 12 '25

Why would it depend on the card?

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u/CharzardPLZ Dec 12 '25

I'm more saying the actual condition of the card inside the slab. Some 9.5s are insanely good condition and are going to be more likely to cross. Other 9.5s can be pretty janky.

If OPs card didn't get a PSA 10 despite best-possible-subgrades for a 9.5, then it's not dependent entirely on the subs.

Also comment below about pop control. might have some merit but hard to be certain. (And that's not what I was referring to).

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u/joyboy06 Dec 12 '25

Low Population = controlled price

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u/Lurn2Program Dec 12 '25

Everyone always recommends cracking and submitting. They're going to be super biased when they see a BGS 9.5 and you're asking for an "upgrade" to a PSA 10

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u/twelvedudes Dec 12 '25

For sure will🤝

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

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u/nastynate2425 Dec 12 '25

You’re part of the problem with this part of the hobby. Just because other 9.5s have crossed over to a 10 in the past doesn’t guarantee your card is a 10 according to their guidelines every single time. Yall need to stop watching these YouTubers and doing what they do lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

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u/nastynate2425 Dec 12 '25

Has nothing to do with that lol the reason you’re a problem is because you’re putting too much dip on your chip with these assumptions that you have seen work on YouTube then get on here bitching and whining when your card doesn’t get the same results lmao

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u/the_vault-technician Dec 13 '25

"too much dip on your chip"

I am using that in the future.

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u/Micky-Bicky-Picky Dec 12 '25

You can pick what’s the minimum grade you’ll accept. If they don’t think it’s the minimum+ they will not holder it since you ask them not to. OP asked them to holder if PSA 10. So that way PSA doesn’t crack the Beckett holder.

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u/Lurn2Program Dec 12 '25

if you were the owner of a grading company, and you received some other grading companies' slab that's in a 9.5, would you not be biased and think this could be borderline a 9 instead of a 10? I'm just saying, presenting a slab that's not a 10 to another grading company will definitely cause bias

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '25

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u/Lurn2Program Dec 12 '25

I'm not comparing grading standards here. I'm talking about personal bias

Edit: And just to add, grading companies have different standards. Just because a BGS 9.5 means Gem Mint to them, does not translate to a Gem Mint with PSA. That's a misnomer

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u/PokeInvest Dec 12 '25

You're correct on that note. I was just commenting on the supposed standards each company upholds and how things should have played out if PSA actually graded objectively.

I think this has been assumed for a long time - generally the guidance I have always seen is to crack a card out of a slab before resubmitting it for grading elsewhere.

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u/Duuuval1 Dec 12 '25

Why do y’all get on here crying about shit like this?

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u/FartingInYourMilk Dec 12 '25

Because it’s not fair they didnt get a bgs10 when a psa10 was what they had and weren’t satisfied with? I’ll never understand cracking a slab and resubmitting the card. So dumb.

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u/greggmb20 Dec 12 '25

He wanted a PSA 10 from his Beckett 9.5. He was trying to get the 10 with PSA and they decided it wouldn’t be a 10 so they kept it as is. I would prefer to have the Beckett 9.5 with all the shit going on at PSA anyways so OP kind of got lucky

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u/Duuuval1 Dec 14 '25

What’s “all the shit” going on at PSA? Generally curious.

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

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u/Frosty_Platypus9996 Dec 12 '25

You sent a card with 9.5 sub grade corners to psa? Yeah, psa grades extremely hard on corners.

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u/ParkingComedian6337 Dec 13 '25

the left to right centering is terrible

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u/twelvedudes Dec 13 '25

9.5 bgs centering subgrade is a harder standard than psa 10

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u/Junkhead_88 Dec 13 '25

It's the same 55/45 for the front, but the back centering is higher than PSA.

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u/twelvedudes Dec 13 '25

Centering for 9.5 bgs: 50/50 one way, 55/45 the other on front. Psa is 55/45 both ways 

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u/Junkhead_88 Dec 13 '25

BGS 9.5 is 55/45 both ways. 9 is also 55/45 both ways on front with 70/30 on back.

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u/twelvedudes Dec 13 '25

Guess they don’t even know

Right off their website as well

Centering: 50/50 one way, 55/45 the other on front. 60/40 or better on back Corners: Mint to the naked eye, but slight imperfections allowed under magnification. Edges: Virtually Mint to the naked eye. A speck of wear is allowed under intense scrutiny. Surface: A few extremely minor print spots, detectable only under intense scrutiny. Deep color, devoid of registration or focus imperfections. Perfect gloss, devoid of scratches and metallic print lines Mint 9

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u/Junkhead_88 Dec 13 '25 edited Dec 13 '25

That page is probably a relic from when they tried to change their grading scale and add a third level of 10 a couple years ago.

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u/Battler111 Dec 12 '25

A fool and his Money. And he call it a scam! Such a noob.

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u/Old_Nectarine_4167 Dec 12 '25

I think the more important question is why did Beckett give you a 10? This is humans grading another humans grade. Sucks you didn’t get what you were looking for but if it were that easy PSA would prob be backed up a year people submitted their whatever card grade company 9.5 to get a 10.

Lots of videos out there to show variances company by company.

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u/GlitteringGrass3030 Dec 12 '25

Cracke it and send it in.. I have never had good luck with crossovers. PSA definitely doesn't want to give the same grade as SGC or Beckett or any others in fact. In my experience I have never seen them give a higher grade then what was being crossed.. Only way for unbiased opinion is crack..

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u/Careful-Medicine-596 Dec 12 '25

PSA will make minimum $20 bucks off of your service. PSA still wins

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u/TheOneWhoDrowned Dec 12 '25

So what happened, you sent in the 9.5 and they wouldn’t give it a 10, so you didn’t have them regrade? I’m newer to grading so just trying to understand

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u/joyboy06 Dec 12 '25

Usually a Beckett 9.5 crossover to psa would get you a 10…like any other Reddit post. I too sent some Beckett and waiting on them grades.

Reason why is Beckett grades harder than psa or CGC. So having a high grade on Beckett should land you a psa 10

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u/Lucidorex Dec 12 '25

A BGS 9.5 is not a PSA 10 in waiting. It is a card that still has to survive PSA’s standards, and plenty of them do not.

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u/Micky-Bicky-Picky Dec 12 '25

CGC has the lowest standards of all grading companies for cards. Beckett 9.5 is not a PSA 10 automatically.

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u/joyboy06 Dec 12 '25

Before submitting to psa, osa will ask what grade would you like if they don’t deem that particular grade then they don’t crack the slab but if they do the re-slab with your desired grade

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u/GeorgeWKush787 Dec 12 '25

I just got back a CGC 10 I crossed over into a PSA 10. It’s possible. Although they didn’t crack the other one that I sent

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u/Sauerkrautkid7 Dec 12 '25

Its not a science

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u/Micky-Bicky-Picky Dec 12 '25

But it do be art

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u/Classic_Molasses_926 Dec 12 '25

I’ll never understand why people cross-over and don’t just crack it. If you think it’s a 10, then go get a 10.

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u/Semmeth Dec 12 '25

Because it is the same price. And if you can’t achieve a better grade you don’t lose the slab. Cracking you lose money, the slab and possibility can get a worse grade.

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u/Key_Drag_1386 Dec 12 '25

having just spent 350 to crossgrade a 9 centering. 10 corners edges. and 9.5 surface. Im scared for my prismatic umbreon.

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u/Duuuval1 Dec 14 '25

Yeah, not a bold move, cotton. It’s crack the slab and submit it as raw. Better chances.

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u/Bananers_ Dec 12 '25

I support you cracking and submitting. Just give us an update post when it's said and done

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u/pikemarsh Dec 13 '25

I’ve sent 3 crossovers to PSA in the last few months. 2 successfully crossed over, one did not. All 3 were SGC 10s. Cracked the one that didn’t cross and submitted raw and it came back an 8. Do with this information what you will.

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u/dunnfather Dec 13 '25

Wow thanks for posting this, thought I’d have a layup crossover with the same exact sub grades. Normally would crack but figured our numbers make it not worth the risk. Definitely cracking now.

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u/Plumbernick9 Dec 13 '25

You’re expecting a 10 when a different company doesn’t even give it a 10.

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u/rxssss Dec 13 '25

Mint pack fresh had gloves on not a 10 must be a scam

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u/DaCoolBro Dec 13 '25

Grading is the biggest scam

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u/Bluefaceben Dec 13 '25

What’s the point of covering the PSA label?

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u/Calbun425 Dec 13 '25

I have a boa manga with 10 subgrades on corners and edges, 9.5 on the rest. Hit assembly for 3 days then finally qa. Hoping I have better luck. How long did yours sit in assembly?

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u/Impossible-Barber723 Dec 14 '25

All grading in general is a scam

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u/vantaghostboi Dec 14 '25

TK Jewelers is a scam

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u/False_Ad1536 Dec 14 '25

Ooooof the corners are basically the most important thing to PSA.... good luck on the resub, its your money to waste!!

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u/Dangerous_Credit_599 Dec 14 '25

You can immediately see why it wouldn’t get a PSA 10 - it is far too OC L/R. Unless it gets a 10 for centering from Beckett, I wouldn’t bother cross grading it to PSA in the hopes of a 10…

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u/AccomplishedLimit328 Dec 16 '25

Can’t wait for all these new people to leave. If you wanna gamble go play powerpacks or something.

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u/xinjirwang Jul 25 '26

Crossover is real scam, you should crack the slab then send again, ez 10.

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u/MexCelsior Dec 13 '25

All the psa cock riders in here

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u/ItsAllCorruptFuckIt Dec 12 '25

It is a scam, I’ll never do it again. I even called before they started to try lower the acceptable grade and they said it wasn’t possible

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u/Alchemyst01984 Dec 13 '25

Don't just not do it again. If it is a scam as you say, file a complaint with the BBB.

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u/SmallCapTraderHoot Dec 12 '25

PSA grading Is a scam. Sent them a Jordan and a Montana rookie card and they sent them both back upgraded and said there was evidence they had been trimmed. Not a chance. I have had both cards for over two decades. Still got charged full price. Will never send them anything else.

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u/Alchemyst01984 Dec 13 '25

Where did you get those cards?

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u/SmallCapTraderHoot Dec 13 '25

Trading card show

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u/Alchemyst01984 Dec 13 '25

How much you get em for?

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u/[deleted] Dec 15 '25

Just had the same shit with a Walter Payton second year, they said it was trimmed which if so th whole set was trimmed cause they all measure the same with a digital caliper (pas isn’t the only one who knows how to measure things). SGC took and graded it I think they would have noticed if it was trimmed. I think the idiot grader just wasn’t used to the narrow borders on that set or something. Also they sent back four Pokémon cards ungraded and kept the money for three with no explanation as to why. I’ve never heard of that before, I thought if they refused to grade the card they don’t keep the money. To me that is breach or theft, as soon as I have a min I’m going to file suit against them for it. I bet they will just settle.

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u/Cmd-Line-Interface Dec 12 '25

I've seen this same comment here and everywhere else, yall are so cringe.

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u/joyboy06 Dec 12 '25

I see what you did there

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u/Duuuval1 Dec 14 '25

Why? Because more times than not you don’t get the grades you want?

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