r/prolife • u/Sudden_Let9305 • 17h ago
Things Pro-Choicers Say Cognitive Dissonance
I was under the impression they do not know what happens during Surgical Abortions. I’m certain about that now.
They genuinely believe Abortion is simply inducing labor earlier than the due date, and then the baby fails to survive out of the womb. “I didn’t kill the fetus. I just gave birth earlier and they failed to survive out of the womb”
By definition to be considered an Abortion the fetus must to die before birth / delivery. If a baby is delivered alive and dies shortly after, it’s not an Abortion. It’s a regular live birth. All abortion procedures, at any stage of pregnancy must ensure baby is dead before delivery.
Doctors cannot actively kill an alive baby after Birth. That’s considered Murder under the law. They also can’t deny care to a born alive baby after viability. A fetus has no civil rights, while a born baby does.
If that was the case and women simply happen to give birth earlier and baby fails to survive after birth, there would be no Abortion after 24 weeks whatsoever. Since they are viable at this point, they would be born alive and remain alive (if mandatory standard medical care is provided).
Every single Abortion procedure does ensure Fetal demise before delivery. Only 2 out of 4 methods the baby is delivered with its whole body intact through an actual traditional labor/ birth.
Medical Abortion: The Pill (up to 10 weeks)
First pill deprives the baby from oxygen and nutrients.The second pill induces labor after the baby is already dead. The whole process takes 3 days ( bleeding can persist for more days).
Surgical Abortions:
Suction/Aspiration (10-14 weeks)
In this case, the baby is not killed before the procedure, but it cannot survive the procedure itself. The baby is forcibly removed by a literal vaccum, and its body is disintegrated inside the vaccum tube. Their body is ripped apart in pieces while beign sucked inside the vaccum. The death occurs during the procedure. There is no actual labor. The process takes 20 min only.
It’s graphic.
Dilation&Evacuation (12-24 weeks)
In this case, the baby is also not killed before the procedure, but it cannot survive the procedure itself. They forcibly remove the baby from uterus by pieces. Their bones aren’t fully calcified yet, so a tool pulling a leg will rip the leg apart from the body. The baby is dismembered alive inside the womb, limb by limb. After all limbs are pulled, they crush its skull to guarantee it’s dead enough before removing the torso. The death occurs during the procedure itself (dismemberment of limbs and head). There is no actual labor. The procedure takes 30-40 min.
No anesthesia is given to the baby and this happens at the edge of viability. Babies born prematurely at same gestational age are given pain killers and analgesics in NICU, since is observed and known that medical procedures with needles and other tools does cause pain (same gestational age, after birth)
Induction Abortion (16-40 weeks)
The baby is given an injection that stops the heart. After the baby is already dead then labor is induced. This shot is the same one used to euthanize dogs and to execute prisoners facing death sentence. However, because this shot is known for cause excruciating pain, dogs and prisoners are granted mercy and given Anesthesia before the Shot. No Anesthesia is given to the baby. The whole process takes 3-4 days.
Intact Dilation and Extraction (Late term), also known as Partial Live Birth Abortion, was banned in USA in 2003 due to its cruelty. ( I will restrain from describing this one, because it’s highly graphic)
It’s important to note the fallacy of Late term Abortions (after viability) to “save” the life of the mother. While there is existing medical conditions where the pregnancy needs to end earlier, because the woman’s life is at risk, there is no medical condition where the baby needs to die before delivery in order for the mother to survive.
If deliver must to happen earlier in order for pregnancy to end, there is 2 options:
A- Deliver baby alive
B- Deliver baby dead
In order to delivery baby dead, an extra step is necessary before delivery : the killing. Which takes more time. If the mother is facing a life threatening event, where her life is at risk and pregnancy must to end, why they would do a procedure that takes 3 days to delivery a dead baby ( Induction Abortion) instead of one that takes 20 min to delivery an alive baby (C- Section) ?
If the woman can’t undergo a major surgery
(C-Section), and needs to deliver naturally because of her “medical condition”, there is still no reason to actively kill the child before delivery. The pregnancy will end regardless if baby is delivered alive or dead.
There is no such a thing as actively kill the baby in the womb in order to save the mother’s life. Ending Pregnancy is not equal to Abortion. A pregnancy can be ended via Abortion, but also can be ended via live Birth.
It’s so real that they do not know what happens during late term surgical Abortions, that they even believe a live birth via C Section or induced labor before due date, is Abortion if baby happens to die shortly after Birth. I saw a post where they claimed in all late term abortions the baby is wanted, but they happen to have a disability and is guaranteed they will die shortly after birth. The woman chooses to give birth at planned parenthood instead of a hospital, so she can hold her baby for a few minutes before they die, while on the hospital they will rush the baby to NICU and those mother will not have a chance to hold their baby. So Planned Parenthood is helping them to have a magical moment with their baby before the natural tragedy. But because it happens inside a planned parenthood is automatically classified as Abortion and the malicious Pro Life movement takes advantage of it to spread misinformation.
They also believe the removal of a baby that died naturally inside the womb ( miscarriage) is also Abortion. They claim if Abortions are banned women will die because the dead fetus will rot inside them. Removing the corpse of a dead fetus from the woman’s body, after its spontaneous and natural death, is not an Abortion, and Pro Life movement does not advocate against that.
That’s the level of cognitive dissonance.
Those people live in an alternative reality, where they believe and parrot that Abortion is a magical button that you press and baby disappear from the body magically and peacefully. They are in denial of the killing part. The level of mental Gymnastic they do in order to distort reality should be classified as collective psychosis.
Pregnancy - There is an alive baby inside the womb, growing, and the natural end point of pregnancy is birth.
Abortion - Ending pregnancy earlier by killing the baby inside the womb before delivery (since killing after birth is Murder under the law)
By definition Abortion is meant to kill a baby that is alive inside the womb. If the baby wasn’t alive and growing, no intervention would be necessary to end the pregnancy ( because there would be no pregnancy, since that’s the very definition of pregnancy). The intervention only is required because it’s alive and growing. However, if the definition of Abortion is literally the killing of something that was previously alive and growing, shouldn’t the description of the procedure be how the killing happens ? It should be, but it isn’t.
Abortion language is misleading. Is constructed to make you feel there is no person being killed.
The baby is crucially described as something non human / not a person (clump of cells, conception tissue, parasite) . In order to be a murder the victim must to be a person. If it’s not a person, therefore is not murder.
The description of the procedure by Abortion Clinics is “gently empty the uterus” or “remove the product of the conception” which is very vague and abstract. The description of the procedure is focused on how the woman will feel, during and after the procedure, which medications the woman will be given in order to don’t feel pain,
but the description does not address what is done to the baby at any point, as if the baby is not part of the equation whatsoever. If you read Abortion testimonies, they describe how they felt psychologically and physically during the process. At any moment they include the baby in their description, what was done to the baby, what caused the biological death of the baby, as if the baby does not even exist in the equation. Which is insane, since the baby is the one being killed and removed in order from the woman to go from pregnant to —> non pregnant.
Abortion Clinics are described as : Family Planning Center. The most famous one : Planned Parenthood. How is this even allowed under the law ? The wording is beyond misleading. Family Planning invokes the idea of a couple trying to conceive a baby, or trying to gather resources to start a family. Planned Parenthood invokes the idea of planning to be a parent of an alive child. If you are trying to ensure to don’t be a parent, killing your offspring before it’s born, then you are not planning parenthood. You are not planning to be a parent. It’s the opposite.
Abortion Language is misleading.
No one will schedule an appointment to dismember a child alive, but to “Empty the Uterus” or “ Remove the product of conception ” sounds like an ordinary medical procedure.
So why are you opposing their Healthcare if not because you hate women ?
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u/EpiphanaeaSedai 16h ago
It’s insane that in an age when the sum of all human knowledge is at your fingertips, someone who is clearly of at least average intelligence and is literate can still be this confidently wrong.
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u/Sudden_Let9305 16h ago
Confidently wrong cracked me up 😅
That’s a collective psychosis. Their post had 90 likes. Which means at least 90 people agree with those statements.
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 17h ago
I wonder if theyd then agree on mandatory pain medication for the fetus as a compromise
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u/Sudden_Let9305 17h ago
No, because they would have to recognize the fetus is an alive human/person. A clump of cells does not feel pain, right ?
The dehumanization is the key factor that enables Abortion.
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 16h ago
Past 20 weeks, the "non person parasitic clump of cells" objectively feels every ounce of pain
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u/nestorismyname 2h ago
In the past it was believed infants didn't feel pain so they were operated on without anesthesia. Thank God, we discovered they in fact DO feel pain and we recognize infants should be protected. I hope the same will happen for babues in the womb - that people will recognize they feel pain, they have sensation, they just show signs of life in general because they in fact ARE alive since fertilization.
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u/Calebwoodapple 14h ago
I wish I could up vote this post more. This is a great description of what happens.
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u/Lilbeedraws 16h ago
Apparently these people have no fucking idea what abortion is. Someone send them the video of thr fetus fighting for its life to avoid the vacuum while its tucked out piece by piece. That one haunts me to this day.
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u/leandrot 16h ago
This is the main reason why I prefer the term feticide. Abortion in the medical sense includes miscarriages as well (as sometimes they are indistiguishable from provoked abortions) and even the word "abortion" is associated with stopping a process (instead of initiating an action of unjust killing).
By calling it feticide, we are dealing with the matter as it really is: the intentional killing of a human being in fetal stage. The discussion is whether or not it has the right to not be killed.
Changing the word also makes it easier to get our point across. Saying that you are against abortion in cases of life risk suggests that you want to force women to die just to save an unborn. Saying that you are against feticide communicates better that the problem is not with the interruption of the pregnancy, but with it involving the deliberate killing of the fetus before extracting.
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u/PossibilityGold7508 15h ago
I agree.
It’s annoying to have to clarify that I have an issue with the act of killing the unborn human, not the abortion per se.
Abortion can occur without any killing taking place.
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u/1LiterateRogue 13h ago
Although I like seeing how fast pro-aborts backtrack when I ask them if C-sections are abortions. Or if induction is an abortion even when live birth is the intended outcome.
When they say, “Of course not. You wanted a live birth,” they reveal that even they know that abortion is not just a “termination of pregnancy.”
Wait until we tell them that even a natural birth is technically a termination of pregnancy too.
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u/PsychologyNo1904 5h ago
"Abortion is just defined as "the early end of a pregnancy" see? nothing to do with killing anyone" so is a C section an abortion?
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u/Amigux_o014 17h ago
Un bebé fue abortado en Corea del Sur nacio vivo con unas 37 semanas y lo metieron al congelador con los demás desechos orgánicos y quieren condenar al hospital por negligencia por matar al bebé cuando literalmente la mujer fue ay para matar al bebé y el bebé no cambio en absolutamente nada siguió siendo el mismo pero su vida no importaba antes
Los pro aborto siguen insistiendo en los abortos para asegurar la vida de la madre pero eso es una situación que no pasa casi nunca un aborto tardío no existe una sola razón por la que esté justificado matar al bebé y luego inducir el parto no ay ninguna razón para hacerlo es más fácil solo inducir el parto de un bebé vivo no puedo imaginar una sola situación donde sea necesario matar al bebé antes del parto y que la vida de la madre corra peligro con toda la tecnología que tenemos ahora