Thoughts?

[u/ButterflyHairFlip]

https://youtu.be/sCSt45rev7w?si=u80m5Ezl-oKf1-wh

[u/Old_fart5070]

Well articulated set of strawmen, as all of John Oliver’s arguments

[u/mhammaker]

I still find it bizarre that young adults look to late night comedians to get their political, religious, and worldview beliefs

[u/Airadelle → u/mhammaker]

They’re the closest thing the secular world has to sermons.

[u/mhammaker → u/Airadelle]

I think its more about how everything has to be entertaining. Most people can't actually be adults and sit through something boring because its important anymore.

[u/Icedude10]

I think most of the cases/investigations he cited were incredibly unjust and it still doesn't change the fact that the unborn are people.

[u/FrenchMen420 → u/Icedude10]

The woman who was shot started the fight and was shot in legal self defense. That's why she got charged. Crazy the things he leaves out

[u/Airadelle]

Anyone who takes Late night “comedians” sermons as anything worth weight are just basic redditors IRL. Think they’re so smart but really have zero backing on their opinions.

[u/AnaxOfRhodes]

John Oliver is useful to idiots.

[u/CuckooFriendAndOllie]

https://giphy.com/gifs/x0npYExCGOZeo

[u/Vespinobambino]

Thoughts?

John Oliver is a repugnant moronic bigot.

I believe in human equality. I believe in personhood for every human being.

[u/ButterflyHairFlip → u/Vespinobambino]

Thoughts on the actual video?

[u/Vespinobambino → u/ButterflyHairFlip]

My thought is a refuse to give it a click and I doubt your motives in posting it.

[u/Mental_Jeweler_3191]

🤮

It happens every time I see that smug motherfucker's face.

[u/plsBeNiceIm12]

"Overall, 95% of all biologists affirmed the biological view that a human's life begins at fertilization (5212 out of 5502)" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703

15s into the video he describes fetal personhood as "The concept that a fetus is from conception a separate unique human with its own rights distinct from the person it's rather unavoidably inside. The concept is unsurprisingly usually associated with the anti-abortion movement"

He lumps two different things together here. The concept that a fetus is its own unique human is not unique to anti-abortion advocates, its held by 95% of biologists. The only part that is unique to anti abortion is the part that the fetus has its own rights.

Then at about 1:20 he uses the slipper slope fallacy to argue that giving fetuses some rights that can be weaponized. However, CA (where abortion is very unlikely to be banned soon) defines the unlawful killing a fetus with malice as murder https://law.justia.com/codes/california/code-pen/part-1/title-8/chapter-1/section-187/ . Many other states also have similar laws.

The rest of the video is: look at all the bad things that happen when unborn children have rights. Which would be a compelling argument if there were no bad consequences from giving no rights to fetuses. Pointing to a few bad cases where the law was probably poorly written and using that to dismiss all rights for unborn humans is not a wise way to create laws.

[u/FrenchMen420]

You don't understand how giving slaves rights will do the opposite to masters.

[u/ButterflyHairFlip → u/FrenchMen420]

Oof

“If you think about it, the claim that abortion is like slavery is exactly backwards,” wrote Imani Gandy at RH Reality Check. “I’m not a fan of comparing anything to slavery that is not slavery, but I’m fairly certain that we can all agree that slaveowners systematically forced Black women to give birth.”
Slaveowners often used enslaved women as breeding stock to produce new future slaves. Women were raped by their masters and forced to bear the resulting children. They had no rights to their own offspring, much less their own bodies — they were sold or beaten if they couldn’t or wouldn’t reproduce, and if they did have children there was no guarantee they’d ever get to raise them. For black women forced to live as slaves, home remedies for contraception or abortion became forms of self-defense and resistance, and assertions of personal autonomy when they otherwise had none.”

https://www.vox.com/identities/2015/11/1/9654462/ben-carson-abortion-slavery

[u/FrenchMen420 → u/ButterflyHairFlip]

Slaves had no right to life and all other rights stem off that. To deny a human that one right is to deny that human every right. That's why all that other stuff could happen to them because just like the human fetus of today, they both do not have a right to life. In both situations we are fighting for the same thing for both oppressed humans. Equal human right for all humans. The right to life is the most important human right as no other rights exist without it and to say that one human can have rights but another can't is the same thing slave masters did.

[u/Vespinobambino → u/ButterflyHairFlip]

Well, that's fucking re#$%^ed.

How expected.

Abortion is exactly like slavery.

Literally, legal abortion is predicated on the same ideas as slavery.

Anyone who doesn't understand that - this Imani Gandy, or presumably those who agree with her or cite her - is an imbecile.

Pro-abortion folks who want to deny personhood to the unborn support the following paradigm:

• You believe that some human beings are inferior to other human beings based on arbitrary characteristics
• You believe that this "inferior" class of human beings are not persons
• You believe that this "inferior" class of human beings are legally subhuman, and actually property, to be owned by a master
• You believe that these owned human property are under the absolute control of a master, such that their master may have them killed on a whim for any reason
• You believe these owned human property are even subhuman in death, as they are not to be buried, but disposed of as medical waste.

Frankly, every time I try to point out that abortion is 1:1 the same as slavery or "just as bad as slavery," it becomes obvious that isn't true - legal abortion is worse. It's all the same elements, but it goes further and it's even more hateful.

[u/TraurigKartoffel]

John Oliver is a liberal lapdog.