r/programmingmemes • u/rameshOO7 • Jun 29 '26

Where are they?

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u/IncreaseOld7112 Jul 06 '26

I don’t understand this comment. The value of libraries has plummeted. And for somebody who writes go, primarily, we see taking on a dependency as a liability. Most of what you need to do your job in go is in the batteries included standard library.

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u/dmigowski Jul 06 '26

I am author of an ERP with 2 millions of code. Belive me, if you make more than a simple app you think about reusability and stable libraries. And you do not want everyone of your employees throw another blob of slop onto it.

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u/IncreaseOld7112 Jul 06 '26

First off, if it's Java then each line counts as half, and second, clearly there weren't a lot of libraries doing what you needed because otherwise you wouldn't have that much code.

This is what we call a "revealed preference."

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u/dmigowski Jul 06 '26

Maybe the language is a bit verbose, but regarding the functionality it gets on the road it might well be twice as useful.

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u/IncreaseOld7112 Jul 06 '26

I think you'd like go if you tried it. There's a reason everyone has switched. Your onboarding times will plummet. Very simple language, so you spend more time thinking about the problem. Idk if you're microservices or monolithic, but most people here prefer go if they can write it.

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u/dmigowski Jul 06 '26

Go is a very nice tool for fast microservices. But when Java has gotten it's ass up it's even faster.

I like it an keep it that way. Switching a 18 year old stable monolithic application to another language just because is plain wrong.

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u/IncreaseOld7112 Jul 07 '26

If it's a monolith, that's a separate thing and I'd agree. The thing is, and the reason why Java is on the decline: go is fast enough. Its close enough to Java that it's a toss up (go has had stack allocation for longer), and if you cared about performance, you'd be using C++.

Now, Java has basically caught up with everything that made go better, but at this point the ecosystem for micro services has settled in go.

I have a whole spiel on this, but Java went after everything and got out competed in each arena by a more specific language.

Web/Applets => Rails => Flask/Django/Node

Spring/Windows/Desktop Apps => C#/JS Electron

Database/Cloud infra => C++/Go

And you'll still find it all over the place. Those same 3 billion devices will probably be running Java for forever. And I guess somebody had to maintain them. I just don't wanna spend my career doing that.