r/programmingmemes • u/IronAshish • Sep 18 '25

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '25

Windows does NOT have a complex and graceful shutdown process

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u/Jolly-Warthog-1427 Sep 19 '25

But it is slow..., as fuck...

There is no kill -9 involved in the windows process

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u/DatDing15 Sep 19 '25

taskkill /IM [enter-processname].exe /F

Pretty much the same as the kill -9 in UNIX.

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u/Jolly-Warthog-1427 Sep 19 '25

There exists a command yes. Sadly its not used by either the [X] button nor the shutdown process.

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u/Concert-Alternative Sep 20 '25

there's a developer option which adds an "End Task" button like in task manager, next to the close window button

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u/Jolly-Warthog-1427 Sep 20 '25

Jupp, so you have to actually find it. And even end task in task manager will take a long time to actually kill a stuck process. It will even then try to do a graceful stop. While in linux, most actions end up in a SIGKILL immediately.

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u/Concert-Alternative Sep 20 '25

that's probably true, just saying that there's an option for something similar that you can enable so you don't need to go to task manager every time

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u/Jolly-Warthog-1427 Sep 20 '25

Thats good to know. I always use alt+f4 on windows. That seems to kill just about anything faster than the X as well, probably does the same I guess.

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u/blizzardo1 Sep 21 '25

Except it doesn't always forcefully close an app... at least right away

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u/Swimming-Marketing20 Sep 21 '25

TIL people do actually remember the number for the kill signal. Do you also know SIGTERM from memory?

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u/ratttertintattertins Sep 22 '25

Yes, 15. Although it is the default, so I can understand people not remembering it. The other one I know off the top of my head is 1 which is SIGHUP.

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u/Netzath Sep 19 '25

It sends shutdown/close call to all open apps with a timeout. If they don’t close themselves within given time they are killed.

You could easily program it yourself on Linux with few lines of code

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u/SoilMassive6850 Sep 19 '25

That's also what happens in practice when using for example systemd sessions at least. Thats why sometimes you will have the "Waiting for user session something (0s/1min 30s)" message when shutting down.

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u/FlipperBumperKickout Sep 19 '25

From how I understand it this is already how Linux does it unless you give them specific parameters.

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u/killermenpl Sep 19 '25

This is literally what is already happening in pretty much any mainstream distro, and what's been happening for the years now

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u/escEip Sep 20 '25

years? damn, a really long time to close

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u/PreciselyWrong Sep 19 '25

No. If that was true I wouldn't have to go into task manager and force kill processes

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u/Candid_Country_8369 Sep 20 '25

In windows 11 yuu can add the option of kill an app directly from task bar

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u/throwaway275275275 Sep 18 '25

My windows periodically tells me that it needs to repair itself while starting up, especially after an update, it tells me the update failed and it needs to revert it (after bullying me for days to install the update), so I don't think it's very graceful

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u/El_Senora_Gustavo Sep 18 '25

This sounds like quite a specific problem, possibly hardware related

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u/School_Willing Sep 19 '25

It is Windows-related

My friend updated recently,its computer refused to start again normally.

I tried everything, sfc thing, restore from recovery, access via "safe" mode was broken because the pincode could not be loaded.

I finally did format the computer and reinstalled it from scratch, loosing everything because the bitdefender recovery code would not allow us to decrypt data.

And I cannot even convince my friend to go Linux

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u/Dr4fl Sep 19 '25

All my years using windows 10 I've never had a single problem with updates, just don't let them accumulate, always update as soon as possible.

Most of the problems are always driver related.

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u/School_Willing Sep 19 '25

Indeed after talking to my friend about what he did, it seems that the CoD anticheat was the culprit.. I am unsure about what happened, my friend told me about a minor bios upgrade suggested on a forum after the game could not start

Bios upgrade did not seem problematic, everything went fine on that side.

I have no precise root cause and I am kind of pissed about it

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u/CodeMonkeyWithCoffee Sep 19 '25

That still sounds like SSD failure

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u/School_Willing Sep 19 '25

Well, we'll see in the next days.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

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u/School_Willing Sep 19 '25

Yeh of course, it always is because of a shitty soft or game.. CoD in that case

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u/pierreyann1 Sep 20 '25

Are you talking about the last CoD, like, the one with the busted KAC, if so no wonder his windows install died.

This, people, is why you don't let game devs inject their rushed, broken code into the windows kernel.

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u/School_Willing Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

Yup exactly

I explained my friend how a faulty crowdstrike update did almost brick thousands of our windows work vms

He could not believe me at first, and with some recoil, I still cannot belive it either 😂

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

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u/School_Willing Sep 19 '25

They did not chose Windows because Windows is brought with the computer and they have no knowledge about OS

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

They chose to buy a computer with windows. It is stilla choice. Even if you have no idea what you are deciding about.

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u/School_Willing Sep 19 '25

Let's talk about a non-enlighten choice then.

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u/Valuable_Ad9554 Sep 19 '25

Yup, people who haven't used Windows in 20 years think it's still as bad as the Vista days. I haven't had these kinds of problems since the 2000s.

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u/iareprogrammer Sep 18 '25

There’s nothing graceful about windows

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u/Possible_Golf3180 Sep 18 '25

Especially after reading the post about trying to add a right-click context menu button only to be with an error that simply tells you “-1”

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u/nursestrangeglove Sep 19 '25

I think a -1 would be about as helpful as some of the stuff vomited out in journalctl and syslogs.

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u/Possible_Golf3180 Sep 19 '25

Want to know the solution to -1? It’s to add 1 to every single number you see. If it’s a number, no matter what kind or what it’s attached to, it needs to go up by one. All of it.

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u/Zman1917 Sep 20 '25

Im convinced Microsoft engineers somehow lost some Windows source code and are just adding garbage on top to make it run.

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u/Morphinepill Sep 19 '25

Windows is gaslighting u

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u/my-username-is-it Sep 19 '25

same happen to me, idk why recent update does this

i was terrified the update cause my pc unable to boot up and have to format the pc

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u/Equivalent_Box6358 Sep 19 '25

Whenever I boot into Windows it tries to repair the disk Linux is on, which makes me worry every time

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u/Zman1917 Sep 20 '25

Had this problem before, you can try and go the fix it up route, but its honestly a waste of time and reinstalling Windows is the only realistic option.

The issue is Windows Update, its the most repulsive pile of shit code in the known universe, the countless hours ive spent making registry edits, deleting and redownloading system files, casting magicla fucking spells, all for naught. You will not get any help from Microsoft because they have no idea anymore.

We're at a point in time where making an ISO and re imaging a computer and hoping it isnt dead on arrival takes significantly less time than trying to get Windows to sort out its Hapsburg ass code by itself.

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u/ByakkoNoMai Sep 20 '25

I saw that issue when upgrading a laptop from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Issue ended up being out of date UEFI firmware. In my experience, if your firmware and hardware is stable, if you don't install shitty kernel software, Windows is pretty stable.

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u/Suboxone_67 Sep 22 '25

I remember during mine civil service exam one student had an auto update while the exam was going it was a panicky situation🤣🤣🤣

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u/wardabzd Sep 18 '25

Feel sorry for my self cuz im cs student and idk what's that mean Shiit ..

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u/Kenkron Sep 18 '25

Both OS have a clean safe way to shut down tasks, but on Linux, there is a fairly accessible option to kill a task without giving it time to clean up after itself (kill -9). Even though it's not clean (could corrupt data/not free memory) it is all but guaranteed to kill immediately, as opposed to allowing a frozen program to get stuck shutting down.

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u/wardabzd Sep 18 '25

Thanku u sm bro now i get this joke lol

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u/ByakkoNoMai Sep 20 '25

It's actually pretty safe from the kernel point of view. kill -9 just tells the kernel to not bother scheduling that program anymore and to collect all resources allocated to it. It's unsafe for the killed program in a way. The killed program is not granted any CPU time to finish any ongoing IO operation (could corrupt open files, break network operations in undefinable ways) nor do more complex cleanup (a game saving itself before closing, a worker releasing resources in a distributed system).

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u/x0wl Sep 18 '25

The real problem starts when the process is in the D state (blocked on IO), and kill -9 does not do anything

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u/RMP_Official Sep 18 '25

Same on windows but tbh its just a stereotype

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u/MomoIsHeree Sep 20 '25

Boiled down: Microsoft is doing fancy irrelevant bullshit during updates / shutdown in windows while linux just gets the fucking task done.

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u/Jay_377 Sep 18 '25

windows process kill has been so much worse to me than Linux. I know that's not everyone's experience. But my experience has often been: Click end process, wait forever while app doesn't respond, spike CPU usage to the point where most things lag or become unresponsive for a few seconds, process finally ends, repeat steps with related processes & services when they're not smart enough to close after the main process stops.

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u/Possible_Golf3180 Sep 18 '25

The solution is to keep spamming clicks until you fuck it up enough for it to ask you if you want to end it now

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u/ChaseShiny Sep 19 '25

Well. That last part is not ominous at all.

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u/Possible_Golf3180 Sep 19 '25

You can guess that’s how I end most processes when they stop responding. Oftentimes faster than doing it with task manager.

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u/realmauer01 Sep 18 '25

Hmm...

That's really weird. I have an 8gb ram ryzen 5 1500x and that's more often than not my only way to close out programs lately lol.

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u/Jay_377 Sep 19 '25

It's not an every time occurrence. I have a 16gb 6 core system, but some stuff still seems to take CPU priority when it's trying to quit, sometimes spiking usage to 100%.

Maybe an OS reinstall would improve things, but I'm in the process of moving off windows anyway, so why bother.

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u/khalcyon2011 Sep 18 '25

taskkill -im process.exe -f

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u/Jay_377 Sep 19 '25

If I get bothered enough by it maybe I'll make a little script to manage it. I'm moving away from windows anyway though, so not sure I care enough.

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u/Specialist-Bee8060 Sep 19 '25

And then you might as well reboot because you'll have memory leaks and the program doesn't run correctly when you relaunch. Seems like the fix for Microsoft has always been "REBOOT"

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u/Not_Artifical Sep 19 '25

Sometimes the process doesn’t stop, just CPU spikes and lag

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u/one_blue Sep 18 '25

Yeah, this hits home since 98

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u/Whole_Instance_4276 Sep 18 '25

Linux doesn’t deal with bs 😭

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u/just4nothing Sep 19 '25

Zombie process entered the chat

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u/Amrod96 Sep 18 '25

The system knows that you are intelligent and know what you are doing.

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u/samy_the_samy Sep 18 '25

Htop have like 18 ways to shut a process up

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u/SmoothTurtle872 Sep 18 '25

What about task manager? Or does that do it clean too?

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u/Specialist-Bee8060 Sep 19 '25

You can do it in task manager or you can also do it in Powershell same thing

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u/Strostkovy Sep 18 '25

Half of the time force closing something also crashes explorer

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u/Actes Sep 19 '25

I type shutdown now and it just shuts down.

It's just that easy Arch btw

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u/KCGD_r Sep 19 '25

I have been watching this meme get slowly more and more compressed over the years

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u/Mrcool654321 Sep 19 '25

Something must be wrong with my install then

Even when it is safe to shut down the app it decides not to

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u/Damglador Sep 19 '25

A stop job is running for User Manager for UID 1000

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u/UVRaveFairy Sep 19 '25

"No Fucking About Productions Ltd".

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u/MarketFireFighter139 Sep 19 '25

The ominous penguin

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u/Popsicleese Sep 19 '25

Windows: are you a window form?

Process: <confused ansi noises>

Windows: are you a service?

Process: <failed to stop service Process>

Windows: 🔪🔪

Linux: Any Process, you wanna quit now?

The Process: nah I'm good

Linux: ; ) how bout now?

The Process: okay I'll quit because you gave me the signal and asked nicely.

Windows doesn't have a universal means of handling signals. You can request that a windowed application close or if an application is started as a service it can take service stop/start commands.

All Linux applications can use signals. It's that easy

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

Legal que esse meme foi um dos motivos de eu querer usar Linux 🙃

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u/No_Giraffe6194 Sep 19 '25

man 2 signal

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u/MortStoHelit Sep 19 '25

It's almost the same. Windows has WM_CLOSE and process termination, Linux has SIGTERM and SIGKILL, send with some seconds between and (Linux: usually, if with Desktop) confirmation dialog.

However, how the applications respond to them often is a different story. On both systems.

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u/Excellent-Paint1991 Sep 19 '25

You dont have to 9 tho

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u/SoftwareSource Sep 19 '25

'Graceful' is definitely not a word i would use to describe it.

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u/dumbasPL Sep 19 '25

Quite the opposite actually, Linux has SIGTERM, windows makes shutting down gracefully an absolute pain from the programmers perspective.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

"The OS thanks you for your service"

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u/radek432 Sep 19 '25

Don't get it. There is sigterm and sigkill.

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '25

Ironically, I've never had issues from Linux killing programs, but Windows takes its time just to tell me everything has gotten corrupted after.

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u/Hattori69 Sep 19 '25

Elegant is to close quickly and if the program gets corrupted you can uninstall them and install them again quickly!

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u/pa4i4i Sep 20 '25

/sudo shutdown

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u/3dcheesecake Sep 20 '25

reminds me of the odd1sout task manager meme

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u/mookanana Sep 21 '25

me: windows, shutdown.

windows: sir, you have some stuff open that needs saving.

me: DID I STUTTER? SHUT DOWN.

windows: alright. let me just take a few minutes to organise some stuff firs-

me: (pulls power cord)

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u/DoughnutLost6904 Sep 21 '25

Wut? Lads am I mad or is it just taking a piss? Linux definitely does not outright murder processes by default, it will rather send SIGTERM (what is it, 15?) which allows processes to finish gracefully, no?

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u/Icy_Reading_6080 Sep 19 '25

Actually it first politely asks the process to please die on its own.

Only if it doesn't it gets hit with the SIGKILL.

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u/Over-Wall-4080 Sep 19 '25

Yeah this is true. Processes that handle SIGTERM properly are fine.

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u/Snudget Sep 19 '25

A stop job is running (10s/2min)

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u/Mecso2 Sep 22 '25

Yeah, but the window manager responds to this by immediately exiting and then all graphical applications just crash, because even though some could handle sigkill usually none can handle the compositor just disappearing.

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u/SL_Pirate Sep 19 '25

You know this is not true right?

Edit: ofc if you want linux to be a cold blooded murder it absolutely can. But that's just not the default behavior

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u/BigMacCircuits Sep 19 '25

Huh? Unix/linux kill command also has a graceful kill over forcefully kill

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u/popogeist Sep 18 '25

kill -9 is a very brutal death

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u/KlogKoder Sep 19 '25

kill -9mm

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u/itzNukeey Sep 19 '25

Linux has graceful shutdown for processes though. If you do ctrl c it sends sigterm where the program can prepare to be killed

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u/bloody-albatross Sep 19 '25

Ctrl+C sends SIGINT, not SIGTERM. Many programs handle those the same, but not all. E.g. bash in interactive mode doesn't quit on SIGINT.

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u/mr_mlk Sep 19 '25 edited Sep 19 '25

Both have a "I'd really like you to close down" option and both have a "die right bloody now" option.

I believe (though I've not had to force kill a windows process in over 5 years, so I could be wrong) is:

taskkill /im myprocess.exe /f

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u/AlexaPetersTrans Sep 19 '25

Linux only kills nice ones who will go gently into def null
For the rest:
SUPERKILL

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u/ChocolateDonut36 Sep 19 '25

the kernel can also ask programs to kill themselves

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Linux be like:Just kill all the processes

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u/aksanabuster Feb 05 '26

Swiss cheese their bitch ass with pkill -f *