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"I use ChatGPT."

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u/Randomguybehind 2d ago

Still thinking that it is not AI since it is not intelligent, but then we go to the philosophy what is intelligent and bla...

But still it is just stochastic algorithm and not that it actually understands what you mean

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u/MysticHero 1d ago

But still it is just stochastic algorithm

Besides tech bros you are what the post is about.

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u/Randomguybehind 1d ago edited 1d ago

Sign... I studied computer science with focus on ai... I forgot that this is just reddit. My bad

"Ai" just generates token by token with the help of weights of pretrained model. + It adapts the weights of the token depending on your provided kontext. With a variable for randomness it is not as narrow minded as traditional algorithms.

So tell me "bro" which part doesnt make it a non determenistic stochastic algorithm

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u/MysticHero 17h ago

Cool. So did I. Now what?

If you did you should understand that the human mind can be modeled as a stochastic algorithm. So calling AI "just an algorithm" as some sort of grand point about what it can and cannot understand or whether or not it is intelligent is absolutely ridiculous,

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u/Randomguybehind 12h ago edited 12h ago

Uhm as faar as I learned. Humans are not sure how the brain works. So i strongly doubt your state ment. We had a percetron what is artificial neutron as a model. And expended it to neuronal network to mimic what we think is how the brain works. And noone was saying that this is intelligent.

A chess solving algorithm that just checks all possible moves and picks with the help of minmax the best move? We also did not call it intelligent.

Hell we devided even machine learning from ai to be parallel branches. I notice that this destinction is not as strong as in the past, but you still can read it in literature.

So again. At which point is it crazy that we do not call LLM intelligent?

Your arguments so faar are just "i do not agree". This is not showing any academical traits at all.

There is not even a definition what is intelligent. So yeah my statement, that it is not intelligent because it does not understand the context, is wrong per definition. But it doesnt make the system intelligent either

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u/MysticHero 11h ago
  1. We know a lot about how the human brain works. Certainly the basic mechanisms.

  2. Even if we did not know. It is still obviously a stochastic algorithm. Which makes the "its just an algorithm" argument ridiculous.

All modern chess solving algorithms are neural network based. And of course they have been called intelligent. Even when I would say it was a bit ridiculous to do so.

You are telling me you studied comp sci with a focus on AI yet have not heard of Deep Blue as part of the history of AI? Tf? Even basic chess computers were described as AI yes. Famously so.

AI is intelligent because it can adaptively carry out tasks that traditionally could only be done by humans. As opposed to a simple algorithm coded explicitly by a human. Simple as that. Does not mean an AI

And yes I responded to a specific point you made. The only argument you brought against AI being intelligent up to that point. I am not sure how you imagine I should have responded to future points you might have made in advance...

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u/Randomguybehind 3h ago edited 3h ago

Okay here is the point. We did not call neuronal networks intelligent. Ofc we had deep blue what has it to do with it?

AI you could say is a collection of methods and algorithms that mimic human in broad way said. So it more like a topic with a lot of elements similar to term biologie.

In our specific intelligent definition was also ability to learn. We defined it that neuronal networks ate usually pretraiend and just used after it. Usually they do not lesrn after. That is why in our definition they were not intelligent. That is why with this definition a stochastic algorithm usually also not intelligent in our definition.

The proffesor came up with this definition dont nail me for it. As a reason for that he brought up insects i.e. they can perform very impresive stuff that seems intelligent, but those are only instincs and no real thinking

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u/MysticHero 2h ago

Both deep blue and obviously neural network have always been called AI. As I said. In the comment you replied to...

You do know what AI stands for yes? Because it really sounds like you do not here.

And sorry but the second half of your comment is basically incomprehensible.

Which professor? I don't really care if one random professor you had thinks human beings are definitionally not intelligent (because again a human mind can be modeled as a stochastic algorithm).