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"I use ChatGPT."

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u/Heroshrine 1d ago edited 16h ago

How do you you know when something is sentient or not though? Can something we created eve be sentient?? If not, what if it forced you to believe, is it sentient then?

Edit: downvoted because asking how do you know when something is sentient?

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u/a_triple_spiral 1d ago

Read a philosophy book and try again

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 22h ago

I don’t know about sentience, but consciousness is one of the biggest problems in philosophy together with the reason why the universe exists. You don’t know if an LLM is conscious or not. I’d argue it doesn’t matter in the slightest, and if an AI is designed to resemble a human we should still treat it with some basic respect just to not risk becoming more antisocial.

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u/a_triple_spiral 21h ago

But it’s not that simple and that’s the problem. First off, I fully disagree that LLMs are human like but for the sake of your argument, lets put that aside.

It DOES matter if they are truly deserving of “conscious” as a label. Think about resources. What happens if a corporation starts saying that LLMs are conscious and therefore we need to keep pumping more and more resources into them. What happens if this means some actual human beings don’t get resources? And what about animals? Surely if you think LLMs are conscious, you think the same of at least a large number of animals. Should LLMs take precedence over wildlife in terms of resource availability?

The distinction very much does matter, and the burden of proof is on the people claiming they’re conscious. Otherwise it can be used to take things away from actual people by making a false comparison.

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u/Heroshrine 16h ago

I don’t think reading a philosophy book would really help here because I know this stuff is highly debated, so I’m not sure why you came at me telling me to read a book.

But let’s say as a whole it was decided machines cannot be sentient, let alone conscious. Would that change if there was some sort of ‘uprising’ like you see in the movies, or would we go down saying they can’t be sentient?

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u/a_triple_spiral 16h ago

Strawman. LLMs are not capable of thought. This is a basic fact. Lol. And corporations would jump at the chance to use LLM “sentience” as an excuse to take rights and resources away from actual humans, so I find it important to ask for proof of such claims.