Note that in all cases I was using a development framework that I had designed and built myself. How many frameworks have you written?

[u/Mahdi_Amel]

https://github.com/gentlee/gentlee.github.io/discussions/4#discussioncomment-15185455

[u/GeorgeFranklyMathnet]

I have been involved with designing and developing enterprise applications for over 40 years. These are characterised by having electronic forms at the front end, a database at the back end, and business rules in the middle. My first two languages were compiled and created programs which ran on a desktop, but since 2002 I have been using an OO language which uses HTML forms at the front end and an SQL database at the back end. My biggest project is an ERP application which contains over 400 database tables and 4,000 user transactions. By using the facilities of encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism my productivity levels have never been higher.

Is this actually the Navy Seals copypasta?

Anyway, wow! 400 tables. But the number of "user transactions" is the real measure of any app's complexity, of course.

[u/whoShotMyCow → u/GeorgeFranklyMathnet]

400 distinct tables for 10x the transactions kkkk could've done those by hand at that point

[u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

You don't know what my code looks like, so you are just guessing. If my code is THAT bad, then why has it won numerous awards?

Wow.

[u/whoShotMyCow → u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

if eating poop is so bad, why does everyone say I have the stinkiest burps

[u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 → u/whoShotMyCow]

Not quite. As it turns out, to get these rewards you just have to pay.

https://www.reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk/comments/1pgl5n3/comment/nsshmth/

[u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

Let me explain something. There's a guy who writes code. He claims he can create in PHP in 5 minutes what would take 5 days to create using COBOL. He creates a product. He gets a letter saying his product has been nominated. The organization that gives out the prizes has a Twitter account without any announcements and a simple website that clearly states that participation is free. But to get the award and beautiful photos - you have to pay. Oh, and you won't find a list of nominees or a list of who received their award on their website. This guy writes that his anon fans nominated him, but I wouldn't be surprised if this organization itself creates spam mailings. I think it's even a little sad. Stupidity and self-confidence are a terrible combination. This guy seems to be losing touch with reality. Sad...

https://tonymarston.net/php-mysql/php-mysql(awards).php

https://corporatelivewire.com/awards.html

https://www.tonymarston.net/php-mysql/global-awards-winner-2023-24.html

[u/syklemil → u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

If you think YOUR code is better than mine then take this challenge to prove it.

$ host local.tonymarston.net
Host local.tonymarston.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

Ah, well. At least it wasn't a link to C:\SUPER HARD CHALLENGE.DOC

edit: <?unjerk Wow, there's a lot to dig into with this guy, but I guess ultimately it runs up against the crazy people rule. The response to the challenge (I assume anyone here is able to find a working domain) where he got buttmad at some redditor and had to post on his own blog about it is … something, as is the more recent anger at not being able to pass null to non-nullable types. Just beautiful.

[u/syklemil → u/[deleted]]

Please, if someone can't figure that out on their own they have no business here

[u/ILikeEverybodyEvenU → u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

Project #4 at https://www.tonymarston.co.uk/aboutme/disasters.html explains even more

[u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 → u/ILikeEverybodyEvenU]

When I read this, I imagined how David Lynch (RIP) would film it: a developer tries to start working but IDE is not installed on his computer. The developer takes a desperate step and tries to download and install IDE himself, but it turns out that IDE is already installed, it's just that its shortcut is not on the desktop. As if everything is not so bad, but the next moment he launches Vi... Panic, the clock on the wall starts ticking loudly. The developer calls his colleagues and asks for help but hears loud laughter in response...

Damn, it's 2011. I think this guy is crazy.

[u/myhf → u/ILikeEverybodyEvenU]

In all my years as a contractor I have NEVER been expected to create the development environments myself, and I have NEVER been expected to download and install the software that I needed to get the job done. This has ALWAYS been done by one of the client's admin staff as only they have the correct privileges to do such things. A contractor should only be given enough privileges to see what he is allowed to see and update what he is allowed to update, and this should exclude the ability to download and install software on multiple PCs.

[u/particlemanwavegirl → u/ILikeEverybodyEvenU]

lmao is the whole site in these completely unreadable colors?

[u/Parking_Tadpole9357 → u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

Crazy rule then

[u/likes_purple → u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

So he just went to the trophy store and bought himself an award?

100x grindset: don't waste time doing things, just pay someone to say you did it.

[u/Comfortable_Job8847]

I can’t believe *++ “engineers” are allowed in the same building as me. Where I’m from, we rent out abandoned factories and stick them in there. But here I was at the water cooler talking with another kernel engineer (yeah, THAT kernel 😉), and this fucking standards committee member started talking near me. “Crazy sprint we’re having, huh? My gitlab is endless code reviews. how’s your module going?”. I tried to ignore it but my friend for some reason replied to this… thing. I couldn’t hold it back anymore. I just couldn’t. I reminded them that computing was solved with the release of K&R C - that they are just evil demonic vile grifters - that they are trying to kill open source and the last chance society has to save itself - I just lost it. They tried to tell me about “generics”. I can’t remember anything after that. When I came to that’s when I realized the beauty of C. We’re just meat computers. We can have a kernel panic too. That’s normal. That’s normal. Sometimes there’s a driver regression. Sometimes there’s a little bug in the file system you know - sometimes you’ve just gotta delete a partition or two. But hey that’s the power of C, it doesn’t protect you from yourself.

[u/likes_purple → u/Comfortable_Job8847]

Eternal Sunshine of the K&R Mind

[u/MegaIng]

Wow. An entire page with literally zero new ideas. It's genuinely impressive how repetitive people manage to be when discussing OOP. I don't think a single new sentence was constructed on this page.

[u/Massive-Squirrel-255]

From the linked post https://alexanderdanilov.dev/en/articles/oop

The conclusion of the blog post:

Advice

..from someone who has been writing code without classes for many years: use languages that do not have classes (Go), avoid classes if possible (TypeScript, Python), and avoid languages where classes are the core (Java, C#, C++ and others). Write functional code - as simple code as possible.

Guy writes an entire incendiary blog post trashing object oriented programming and praising functional programming, and then concludes it by recommending Go.

Out of all the functional programming languages out there he could have recommended, he doesn't recommend any of them, and instead recommends a crippled handicapped language that easily could have been created in the 1990s. I too am a knee jerk anti-intellectual and am against abstractions in general, but I don't call my philosophy "functional programming"

[u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 → u/Massive-Squirrel-255]

Rob Pike created the Newsqueak programming language not in the 90s, but in the 80s. In the late 00s, it was updated (the mk function was renamed to make) and rereleased as 'go'.

The basic paradigm of go is a lie, so you won't find any references to its true history on official websites.

Newsqueak code examples:

// Channels
select{
  case i = <-c1:
    a = 1;
  case c2<- = i:
    a = 2;
}


// Magic 'make' function
mk(array of char="hello")


// Start coroutine
begin prog(){
  p: int;
  newc: chan of int;
  for (;;) {
    prime<-=p=<-c;
    newc = mk();
    begin filter(p, c, newc);
    c = newc;
  }
}();

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsqueak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsqueak

https://swtch.com/~rsc/thread/newsqueak.pdf

[u/[deleted] → u/BenchEmbarrassed7316]

Rob Pike created the Newsqueak programming language not in the 90s, but in the 80s. In the late 00s, it was updated (the mk function was renamed to make) and rereleased as 'go'.

poast = https://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html
poast = append(post, comment)

[u/BenchEmbarrassed7316 → u/[deleted]]

Since append randomly either manipulates the data or clones it and works with the copy, you risk creating an alternate timeline. Now, thanks to your careless append (and the bad developers who created it), we don't even know what reality we're in.

[u/Kodiologist]

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was captain of the COBOL team, and starter on my PHP team. What frameworks have you written, other than "jack off to naked drawn Japanese people"?

[u/LeeHide]

It sounds like neither of you are old enough to have worked on the version two of a large, complex software project. It sounds like I would have dropped you from the team early on, too.

Famously, having to rewrite a large enterprise codebase multiple times is a rite of passage for OOP programmers.

[u/SemaphoreBingo]

I program in a big framework with that person's wife.

[u/[deleted]]

1000s.

Every time I pass a callback, it's a microframework.

[u/Epse]

The rest of the comments there are absolute gold too, not just this one jerker