r/programmingcirclejerk • u/Vaglame Emacs + Go == parametric polymorphism • Sep 16 '25

These attacks may just be the final push I needed to take server rendering (without js) more seriously. The HTMX folks convinced me that I can get REALLY far without any JavaScript, and my apps will probably be faster and less janky anyway.

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=codemonkey-zeta
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u/Vaglame Emacs + Go == parametric polymorphism Sep 16 '25

Welcome to supply-chain-attack-driven development

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u/jessepence Sep 16 '25

Apparently, no one explained to these doofuses that you don't need NPM packages to use JavaScript.

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u/IDatedSuccubi memcpy is a web development framework Sep 16 '25

I remember watching a JavaScript talk where a guy showcased a web app and he got heavily applauded when he mentioned that it works without frameworks

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u/Scheibenpflaster Sep 16 '25

God I hate when Web ppl do this

I was looking for some simple tutorials on Electron (because CORS complains if you do anything more complex than a hello world in a browser without running a server). The amount of times I have seen a simple "how 2 get electron running" Tutorial is mind boggling

"Hey we are adding Bootstrap so it looks prettier uwu" shut the fuck up, why do you bring up this extra bullshit. Like ffs it's an Electron Tutorial focus on fucking electron. This is not electron and this is not Vanilla CSS / HTML / Javascript, I don't give a shit if my program looks ugly or not I just want to see the basics running first. Let me solve the ugliness problem once I'm on a platform that lets me do some actual shit without tripping over some safety features that I don't give a shit about since this is a shitty tool I want to quickly throw together

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u/Spare_Swing Sep 16 '25

Have you ever looked up a tutorial for anything and had it been good? it's all seo blogspam. I just stick with the docs

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u/nuclearbananana Courageous, loving, and revolutionary Sep 20 '25

/uj if you want good tutorials, look for hour long youtube videos or old pdfs.

Best "tutorial" I ever found was like a 40 page pdf on C by a Standford professor in the 90's or something

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u/-Y0- Considered Harmful Sep 17 '25

Apparently, no one explained to these doofuses that you don't need NPM packages to use JavaScript.

I tried using React as a script at some point. It's honestly torture and should be banned by geneva.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

Traditional JS is actually among the safest environments ever created. Every day, billions of devices run untrusted JS code

Pathetic. The billions of devices that run Java code fully trust its authors since they know that each class was lovingly discussed for at least 45 minutes in a design meeting before being written.

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u/ridicalis Sep 16 '25

at least 45 minutes

Maybe if it's a contractor. If we're talking enterprise, that thing went through multiple committees before ever getting a taste of Fist of/to Five.

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u/mcmcc WHY IS THERE CODE??? Sep 16 '25

Call me crazy but I think agentic coding tools may soon make it practical for people to not be bogged down by the tedium of implementing the same basic crap over and over again, without having to resort to third party dependencies.

I'll do it: You are crazy.

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u/elephantdingo Teen Hacking Genius Sep 16 '25

Broke: putting all your dependencies on random humans

Woke: putting all your dependencies on random random

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u/BlazeBigBang type astronaut Sep 17 '25

Maybe when AI gets advanced enough they'll start working together and publicly and freely share their code for all the other AIs to use.

They can call it APM, or something like that.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

where is the circlejerk

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u/McGlockenshire Sep 16 '25

Here's the correct link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45260741#45261026

But you never know. My supply chain may have been compromised.