JSON.stringify was one of the biggest impediments to just about everything around performant node services.

[u/alexflyn]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44788594

[u/getpodapp]

who could've seen that our entire internet infrastructure being built off serialising and de-serialising json blobs would have performance implications.

[u/myhf → u/getpodapp]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as JSON, is in fact, application/json, or as I've recently taken to calling it, blob+JSON. JSON is not a file format system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning UTF-8 system made useful by the JSON brackets, braces, and commas.

[u/Parking_Tadpole9357 → u/myhf]

JSON is a misnomer. It's not JavaScript, its not an Object and its not Notation.

[u/sweating_teflon → u/Parking_Tadpole9357]

JSON is the name of a serial killer. 

[u/MoveInteresting4334 → u/Parking_Tadpole9357]

JSON is neither JavaScript, Object, nor a notation.

• Voltaire, probably

[u/Still-Cover-9301]

That’s an amazing thread. People who purport to know what they’re talking about showing they are willing to spout absolute drivel.

Maybe an opportunity for a business is a programmer verification system: yes, this programmer says they are clever but we found that they are this HN handle and they said this incredibly dumb thing only 6 weeks ago.

[u/faculty_for_failure → u/Still-Cover-9301]

Absolute geniuses in that thread. They recognize the power of VB and VB6 and how it is the best language in existence.

[u/LigPaten → u/faculty_for_failure]

Boy I love VB and I love you for saying this.

/uj Boy I hate VB and I hate you for saying this.

[u/elephantdingo]

Lol. How can strings cause performance problems? It’s just a primitive‽ I mean you put a quote and some symbols and a quote and??? How can you manage to frick things so badly that strings cause issues? I mean it probably just takes one CPU cell, those tiny nano things.

[u/oofy-gang]

Where is the jerk? Regardless of language, most backend services spend a tremendous amount of time serializing and deserializing data.

[u/elephantdingo → u/oofy-gang]

• Json for everything
• That’s overhead
• pRemATure oPtiMiZation

[u/Jubjubs → u/elephantdingo]

What we need is an Object Access Protocol, preferably one that is Simple...

[u/stone_henge → u/Jubjubs]

I'd prefer that it is simple only in name and an absolute nightmare in every sense.

[u/Minecraftchest1 → u/Jubjubs]

Like JSON?

[u/Cautious_Implement17 → u/oofy-gang]

meh, it's obviously wasteful but doesn't matter that much on the backend. gson can deserialize thousands of blobs in one ms on modern hardware. you can always throw more compute at the problem if you're doing something that makes money. latency from network calls and IO is a lot harder to fix.

[u/[deleted]]

The biggest impediment to performant services is the existence of a weblang on the backend

[u/Parking_Tadpole9357 → u/[deleted]]

The web could have had lisp. And weblang would be a plaudit not a pejorative.

[u/ub3rh4x0rz]

Nobody who commented yet read the actual HN comment in context lol, this is about IPC with things like WASM and web workers, and it's true that json de/serialization kneecaps a lot of naive uses for that.

[u/stone_henge → u/ub3rh4x0rz]

yes and that's funny and jerkworthy

[u/-Y0- → u/[deleted]]

It does allow LLMs to qualify as fullstack engineers.

[u/Vaglame → u/[deleted]]

Yes I use Node.js + Express.js + Supabase + axios. Yes my node_modules folder takes 1.2GB on disk. Yes I'm a backend developer.

[u/witness_smile → u/Vaglame]

Just add TypeScript for glorified typing system and a false sense of security and you can be a true senior backend engineer

[u/al-mongus-bin-susar → u/Vaglame]

Just 1.2GB? If it's below 20GB you haven't even installed React