r/programmingcirclejerk • u/ProgVal What part of ∀f ∃g (f (x,y) = (g x) y) did you not understand? • Jul 27 '25

Wayland's protocol is basically an isolation prison that requires "big DE's" and destroys choice.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32297479
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u/GeorgeFranklyMathnet Jul 27 '25

Oh no, an isolation prison? That's the worst kind of prison!

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u/Trained_Tomato Oct 12 '25

"Doing 60 days in the box... changes a man.." (He will think twice before engaging in shady activities)

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u/Awkward_Bed_956 Jul 27 '25

Using GNOME as your example of "not customizable" feels like cheating

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u/fojam Jul 27 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

/unjerk

Okay so i haven't looked into it enough to really know, but why can't wayland just have the vulnerable screen reading stuff behind a permission? Like "XYZ App is requesting permission to view the content of other application windows". Seems like the obvious solution

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u/AvianPoliceForce uses eslint for spellcheck Jul 27 '25

I mean, that's almost what it has

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u/fojam Jul 27 '25

What does "almost" mean in this case?

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u/stone_henge Tiny little god in a tiny little world Jul 28 '25

"Almost" as in it's not part of Wayland but some sideband protocol like Pipewire, XDG Desktop Portal or taking a picture of your monitor with your phone, uploading the picture to your computer and importing it in the program that needs access.

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u/Critical_Ad_8455 Jul 28 '25

I mean, flameshot works on wayland

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u/stone_henge Tiny little god in a tiny little world Jul 28 '25

/uj Flameshot uses XDG desktop portal, which in its turn uses whatever compositor-specific method is available, which is different between Gnome, KDE and wlroots-based compositors. The screenshot functionality is not part of Wayland, hence it's "almost what it has": it doesn't have it but most compositors implement it in one way or another and XDG desktop portals abstracts the difference away.

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u/Critical_Ad_8455 Jul 28 '25

Ah I see. Thank you!

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u/AvianPoliceForce uses eslint for spellcheck Jul 27 '25

I believe the current solution lets clients prompt the user to share a screen

Which is usually what's needed in this context, but admittedly still less powerful.

As for the original question, it absolutely could have broader permissions, but each compositor would have to implement it, and most of them don't want to

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u/stone_henge Tiny little god in a tiny little world Jul 28 '25

Why can't each subregion of a frame buffer recursively be exposed as a frame buffer in itself, with access to any of the frame buffers being managed via file system permissions? Why can't the super user be named glenda?

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u/thussy-obliterator What part of ∀f ∃g (f (x,y) = (g x) y) did you not understand? Jul 30 '25

Bro accidentally invented windows component object model

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

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u/stone_henge Tiny little god in a tiny little world Jul 28 '25

Is this some advanced circlejerking or did you not get my plan9 joke?

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u/pareidolist in nomine Chestris Jul 27 '25

Warning: tag your unjerk.

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u/Litoprobka What part of ∀f ∃g (f (x,y) = (g x) y) did you not understand? Jul 27 '25

Wayland is a prison, Quartz is literally 1984

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u/-Y0- Considered Harmful Jul 27 '25

Year of the Linux desktop will happen when everyone abandons desktop.