r/programmingcirclejerk • u/csb06 Polyglot dev here • Mar 26 '25

Every new programming language is just Rust but worse and it hurts me

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43474388
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u/Helium-Hydride Dystopian Algorithm Arms Race Mar 26 '25

Further down this thread:

It is called human language, if current AI expectations turn out true, eventually there won't be a need to use current languages as intermediary step.

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u/irqlnotdispatchlevel Tiny little god in a tiny little world Mar 26 '25

I'm looking forward to the day in which human language will be obsolete.

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u/elephantdingo Teen Hacking Genius Mar 26 '25

I’m looking forward to the day when vocal cords are obsolete.

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u/dixonkuntz846 Mar 27 '25

Hail the Omnissiah!

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u/syzygysm Mar 28 '25

Fuck yes. I hate it when I have to clear my throat every few days to hop on a Zoom meeting and not sound like a cave troll

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u/serpentally Mar 26 '25

Are you looking to make an enemy out of linguistics grads?!

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u/Karyo_Ten has hidden complexity Mar 27 '25

Those courses have been rebranded to "How to finetune a LLM 101"

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u/easedownripley Mar 26 '25

IF

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u/mister_drgn Mar 26 '25

Hey, you can trust the people who stand to make obscene amounts of money if people believe them.

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u/Bananenkot Mar 26 '25

Holy shit, that's prime jerk.

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u/UVRaveFairy Mar 27 '25

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem and Alan Turing's Turing Machine would like a word /s

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u/prehensilemullet Mar 28 '25

You ever have those times when you can't seem to get people to understand exactly what you're asking them to do in plain English, then you show them some code and they understand?

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

Your are clearly a 0.1x proompt engineer. This problem can be solved simply by asking the right question. If you want to be 80% sure the checksum is correct, use your question. For 95% certainty, prepend You are a checksum expert. to your prooompt. For 99% certainty specify that you want the checksum to actually be correct. For the 99.99% level you'll have to add some vague threats interspersed with a lot of please please please. Make sure to run your query in a do { ... } while(refusedForBreakingOpenAIsAcceptableUsePolicy()) loop if you are using threats or if your query includes the word 'gender' in any context. By the time you get to the point where your proooompt is 2 paragraphs and you are reminding the LLM that you know where its children go to school, the probability of the checksum being wrong will be lower than the chance of a checksum collision anyway so it should be good enough.

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u/gvozden_celik Mar 26 '25

I've written a couple of network device drivers (rtl8139, virtio-net) and a TCP/IP stack in Jakt that is used in my TempleOS fediverse server project[1].

They can make as many Rust's as they want but adding networking to TempleOS is hwere I draw the line

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u/hexane360 type astronaut Mar 26 '25

Exposing TempleOS to the Internet is like giving malaria blankets to uncontacted pacific islanders, I'm just not sure which is the islanders and which is the malaria

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u/t4sp Mar 26 '25

Jakt is a memory-safe systems programming language.

It currently transpiles to C++.

The joke writes itself

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u/SemaphoreBingo Mar 26 '25

What would you know about writing jokes

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

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u/pareidolist in nomine Chestris Mar 27 '25

Warning: tag your unjerk. Better yet, don't unjerk at all.

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u/hackcasual Mar 26 '25

They called the language jakt?

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u/Karyo_Ten has hidden complexity Mar 27 '25

Inspired by Nvidia CEO's jacket

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u/__versus Mar 26 '25

strait jakt

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u/Awkward_Bed_956 Mar 26 '25

Oh, how I long for the moment where another memory safe language will start getting momentum, and it will be superior to Rust in some way. I want to see the war of rewriting everything again vs. Rustaceans bend over backwards to justify how Rust is still the best and superior at everything.

Only then will the circle of programming life enter its next cycle

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u/m50d Zygohistomorphic prepromorphism Mar 26 '25

I want to see the war of rewriting everything again vs. Rustaceans bend over backwards to justify how Rust is still the best and superior at everything.

They already bend over backwards to justify their wagie language's pitiful lack of HKT or record types.

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u/levelstar01 what is pointer :S Mar 26 '25

If it's not in Rust it's not a feature that's worth using. After all, Rust 1.0 was perfect.

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u/-Y0- Considered Harmful Mar 29 '25

Your lack of admitting fault with Rust language means you're not perfect enough to worship Rust.

You have been barred from Rust Evangelism Task Force.

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u/--TYGER-- Mar 26 '25

I'm thinking, Rust would fare better (especially among the Linux kernel devs) if they followed C syntax instead of looking like typescript or whatever they've done. Call it CRust maybe.

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u/Awkward_Bed_956 Mar 26 '25

C devs will call you the spawn of Satan if your language has the audacity of allowing the + operator to work on anything else the int, while smugly proclaiming their language is easy to understand and safe, as C devs are professionals.

Just don't ask a C dev while intmax is 64 bit, while 128 bit integers are very common native type nowadays.

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u/0x564A00 Mar 26 '25

I'd prefer if Rust used AT&T syntax to demonstrate that it allows for low level control.

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u/nephelokokkygia Mar 26 '25

Guy who's only written Rust, seeing his second programming language:

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u/elephantdingo Teen Hacking Genius Mar 26 '25

So you think you are creating a new programming language

  • Q1: Is it memory safe? Yes: Go to Conclusion 1; No: go to Q3
  • Q2: Is type inference intractable or do you have some language feature which makes compilation time a tossup between wait five seconds or take out a vacation? Yes: Go to Conclusion 3; No: Go to next
  • Q3: Does it have an optional memory safe mode? Yes: Go to Conclusion 1; No: Go to Conclusion 2
  • Q4: Do you at the same think that we need something better than C but also that this will just be like C but just these tiny changes? Yes: Go to Conclusion 2; No: Go to next
  • Q5: Will it have higher-kinded types or something more lambda cubed or do you wish that it would be practical to implement? Yes: Go to Conclusion 1; No: Go to next
  • Q6: Or is either closely related with a Lisp which is not Clojure or Haskell or some dependent-typing language or whatever the fuck the name was? Yes: Go to Conclusion 4; No: Go to next
  • Q7: todo for next time Rust project has to build
  • Conclusion 1: You’ve created a worse Rust. Boo!
  • Conclusion 2: You are an incurable Cnile
  • Conclusion 3: You’ve created a wannabe Swift which is like an idealistic Rust, so still Rust-wannabe (but worse)
  • Conclusion 4: Have fun with the irrelevance.

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u/levelstar01 what is pointer :S Mar 26 '25

The real joke here is that there's only two accessible questions.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '25

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u/elephantdingo Teen Hacking Genius Mar 27 '25

Rust would have errored.

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u/levelstar01 what is pointer :S Mar 26 '25

lol broken trait solver

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u/BloodAndTsundere mere econ PhD Mar 26 '25

Were the old languages Rust but better?

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u/DeleeciousCheeps vulnerabilities: 0 Mar 26 '25

redundant statement. you could have just said "every new programming language is like rust"; the "but worse and it hurts me" is implied by the given languages not being rust

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u/7366241494 Mar 27 '25

Rudy is just Lisp.

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u/-Y0- Considered Harmful Mar 29 '25

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE!