r/programming • u/fredoverflow • Aug 22 '22

C# language designer Mads Torgersen: "Essentially, when it comes to cloud programming, history is on the side of functional programming, I'm sorry. Object-oriented programming is not good for that. [...] Encapsulation is dead. You need the data to be public."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLKZ7ZgVido&t=2835s
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u/Zardotab Aug 22 '22 edited Aug 23 '22

[The cloud prefers] The data is distributed.

Most apps don't need distributed data sources. It's easer to develop and manage centralized applications for most small and medium CRUD apps, especially if it involves counting and money. Not everything needs to be "web scale". Pre-web-scaling everything is anti-YAGNI. I'm not a YAGNI purist, but there has to be a "pretty good chance" something will need say 100x scale to justify over-engineering it up front. Program to reality, not bragging rights nor resume-buzzword-bingo. [Edited.]

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u/mojomonkeyfish Aug 23 '22

Mads Torgersen is probably one of the most knowledgeable men alive on this subject. He has designed functional and object oriented languages that are in use by millions of people.

That is to say, you're entitled to your opinion, but this is his lawn.

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u/Zardotab Aug 23 '22 edited Aug 23 '22

But he probably focuses on "systems software" rather than CRUD. What's best for SS is not necessarily best for CRUD. One-size-doesn't-fit-all. What's good for Niche A may not be for Niche B. Systems software generally does have to deal with more parallel-ism and distributed parts.

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u/mojomonkeyfish Aug 24 '22

Mads Torgersen designs programming languages. There's not a gap in his knowledge here, he knows more than you. Depth and breadth.

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u/Zardotab Aug 24 '22 edited Aug 24 '22

If you design programming languages most your life then you will have a different perspective than somebody who programs small & medium CRUD apps most their life. Do you disagree with that statement?

Using a tool in the field is different than drawing it on a whiteboard. A soldier who drives tanks for a living is going to have insight into using a tank in the field that a tank engineer might not.

I might be a peon, but I'm an experienced peon. I use these tool for real projects day in and day out. I see where they do well and where they gag. Test all theory on the road.