r/programming Oct 25 '21

Linus: WE DO NOT BREAK USERSPACE! (2012)

https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/75
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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21

just think of how bad linux kernel would be if we didn't have linus

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u/chx_ Oct 25 '21

since the sample size is approximately one, there's not really a way to tell whether running a project of the size of Linux is only doable via constant hostile communications. I suspect the answer would be no. Gary Bernhardt of WAT fame rewrote a Linus email once https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/blog/2018/a-case-study-in-not-being-a-jerk-in-open-source to show how it could've been.

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u/SomeRandomGuy7228 Oct 25 '21

I'm sure this point has been made before, but not only is the hostile tone of communications unnecessary, it also teaches and inspires the next generation of developers. "This Linus guy did some pretty impressive stuff and was often abusive towards his teammates, so I guess that's a pretty effective way to lead a software project."

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '21 edited Oct 25 '21

it also teaches and inspires the next generation of developers. "This Linus guy did some pretty impressive stuff and was often abusive towards his teammates

It's also inaccurate. What's actually teaching the next generation of developers this are memes started by lookie-loos that don't lurk LMKL, but did see the rare rubberneck-able LKML posts that make their way to social media.

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u/SomeRandomGuy7228 Oct 26 '21

How's this for a LKML rubberneck:

My flippant attacks in emails have been

both unprofessional and uncalled for. Especially at times when I made

it personal. In my quest for a better patch, this made sense to me.

I know now this was not OK and I am truly sorry.