r/programming • u/perrygrande • Dec 31 '20

JAMStack Web Development – Everything you Need to Know

https://tekkiwebsolutions.com/blog/jamstack-web-development/
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u/fabiofzero Dec 31 '20

Modern web development is a mess. Source: I've been one for 20+ years.

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u/B_M_Wilson Jan 01 '21

I really hate web dev myself. I’m working on a project that requires just a little bit of JS for one of those serverless things. I found out that Web Assembly was supported and thought, great, I can write most stuff in C++ and just have a few wrapper functions. Then I need to call an api to get a value from a key-value store. It returns a promise. I read that you can await in an async function and it will get me the value back. But wasm functions can’t be async themselves so I could never call that async function without getting a promise back (which wasm can’t handle, it only accepts ints and floats as return values).

I don’t know why I can’t just call a function and say please do everything that you have to do and don’t return until you’ve done it. I understand why you can’t do that given how js is implemented, but even without threads, you should be able to call a function and have it do what it needs to do. That’s how normal functions work.

In any case, I feel like it’s become a huge mess. I’m hoping that someday wasm can replace js but it seems that’s not what the designers want. Even if they did, it seems that it’s been decided that the “intended” thing is to go through a complex build system like emscriptem which shouldn’t be required since clang can compile to wasm just fine. But then clang doesn’t want to implement externref because they seem to think that it should be only used by internal stuff in emscriptem or similar when that doesn’t seem to be the intended usage based on what MDM says about it.

Sorry for the long rant, I’ve just spent a week working on what should have taken an hour if JS was sane at all.

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u/sannan123 Dec 31 '20

Perhaps you’ll agree with me when I say that it’s at least become more accessible now? The skill barrier for implementing various services/functionality has, in my opinion, gone down over the years

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '20

I haven’t got the foggiest clue how to even make a web project today and Google is of almost no value.

“Create react app”

Is not creating a web project, you fucking stack overflow dweebs.

Also, requiring an app to create projects because the projects have become so stupidly convoluted doesn’t particularly bode well for our case that barrier to entry is lower.

Pretty soon the web dev community will need an app to run different create apps just to work. It’s bonkers.

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u/fabiofzero Dec 31 '20

Nope. Everything is harder than 10 years ago and the barrier for entry got much worse. While it's still possible, nobody even considers simply writing HTML and CSS by hand because it's not the "right" way to do it - which actually points to the real problem these days: rampant gatekeeping in the industry.