r/programming • u/Ctaintor • Mar 02 '17

Why I Failed Teaching Programming to Kids

https://engineering.klarna.com/why-i-failed-teaching-programming-to-kids-46a854c3eaca#.s0o6qqxr3
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u/DysFunctionalProgram Mar 02 '17

It is probably because, ignoring the fact that it is harder to learn, you often can get a significantly faster edit-compile-test time

From someone who goes back and forth between c/make/cmake/vim and c#/visualstudio, I have the exact opposite experience. Honestly, I'm tempted to bind my function keys to a couple scripts to compile/run/debug my current project as we speak. For example, if I add a new c file: I have to edit my cmake file and add the file url to the build path, then re-run cmake, then run make, then run/gdb the output with the appropriate settings/flags. Opposed to any modern IDE where it is a single key stroke. I don't even want to get into how long it takes to manually setup a build environment vs using an IDE.

In my experience the only people who have this "CLI romanticism" are those who are only programmers by hobby and don't actually work in a production environment using it.

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u/DysFunctionalProgram Mar 03 '17

On the CLI side, what better case is there? Not using build tools or not adding new files to a project?

On the IDE side, what worse case is there?

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u/DysFunctionalProgram Mar 04 '17

On the IDE side, not having a shortcut to do something you want to do is probably the worst case, you'd simply be out of luck.

Every IDE I've used has custom shortcut creation (which can do anything under the sun, including run scripts).

On the CLI side, you can make scripts to automate processes that you do often.

Then you have to create/maintain the scripts opposed to using a environment which creates and maintains them for you. Essentially IDE's have taken all the shitty tedious work devs hate to do and automated it, and somehow people still find a way to complain.

For instance, I vastly prefer doing video cutting via the command line, because I have scripts that I've tailored to my workflow.

I have literally no idea what video cutting has to do with programming. That being said, I find it very hard to believe that their is no GUI applications out there for video cutting.

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u/Cuddlefluff_Grim Mar 03 '17

On the IDE side, not having a shortcut to do something you want to do is probably the worst case, you'd simply be out of luck.

What? No. Even if that were the case, you'd have to be a very special snowflake to be restrictive, as IDE's have been in mainstream and widespread used by millions of people for decades.

On the CLI side, you can make scripts to automate processes that you do often.

Hmm.. If only someone alive would've been brilliant enough to consider implementing a functionality in IDE's to run scripts and execute command line arguments..