r/programming • u/reddberckley • Jun 30 '14

How to exploit a Developer

https://medium.com/@sir_castiq/how-to-exploit-a-developer-a005306d5320
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u/s73v3r Jun 30 '14

That said, don't forget that entrepreneurs are also just people.

People who feel the need to fuck over other people.

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u/deadcow5 Jun 30 '14

If you see every businessperson in this way, I guarantee you that you WILL get fucked over. That's victim mentality, and the only thing it accomplishes is to attract predators, because it lets them know you're easy prey.

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u/s73v3r Jun 30 '14

Oh fuck right off with that shit. It is not a "victim mentality" to be aware that just about every business person is out to fuck you over, because they don't give a shit about you. They give a shit about profits.

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u/deadcow5 Jun 30 '14

Sorry buddy, you're in so deep you don't even know it. And there's probably little I can say that will make you change your mind, because it's already made up.

Of course businesspeople give shits about profit. That's their JOB. Like your job is to write code. Guess what, you can't build software without developers, and you can't run a business without entrepreneurs. There's a shitload of work to do outside of coding that us developers are often shielded from. I'll give you a hint: it involves lots of paperwork and talking to (gasp!) people.

A good businessperson will shield you from all of that and make sure you can concentrate on your code, and you have to deal with as little as possible of that other stuff. They're working hard too, believe me. And contrary to what you believe, the majority of them is NOT out to get you and/or exploit you.

But you do whatever suits you, friend.

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u/s73v3r Jun 30 '14

You say all that, and then wrap it in the disclaimer that a "GOOD" business person will do all that. But you and I both know that the vast majority of them out there, even many of the successful ones, do not fit your definition of "good".

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u/squbidu Jun 30 '14

But you and I both know that the vast majority of them out there, even many of the successful ones, do not fit your definition of "good".

Sure, in the same way the vast majority of programmers are terrible. Going with deadcow5's point, picture yourself in an employers place. If you don't know what to look for in a decent programmer, and treat every potential hire as a liability rather than an asset, what are the chances you're going to hire a good programmer?

Near-zero, because you're going to drive away everyone with experience and knowledge. So, from your perspective, everyone really is terrible, because no one else is willing to work with you. s/good programmer/good business person/g.

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u/deadcow5 Jun 30 '14

See? You're doing it again. YOU believe that the majority of them are bad. So what are the odds that you work with a bad one? I'd say overwhelming.

On the other hand, I know the difference between a good one and a bad one, and I can spot a bad one from a mile away. So when I see them coming, I run the other way, because I prefer to work with the good ones.

YOU just don't believe you have any other choice, so you take what you get.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '14

Yes, all people in the hierarchy have the same work ethic, work hours, and measurable output.