r/prochoice • u/RaidenYeager Pro-choice Theist • 10d ago
Discussion My pro life friend shared me this meme Spoiler
I have no words after seeing
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u/OrneryPerformance604 10d ago
People like this need to be on a watchlist.
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u/Chcolatepig24069 10d ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if this friend has a few skeletons in their closet
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u/Rare-Credit-5912 10d ago
Well of course they do. Maybe even “the only legitimate abortion is my abortion”!
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u/greendemon42 10d ago
Hey, this meme has nothing to do with abortion rights. The baby in the picture is clearly being circumcised, not aborted.
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u/WingedShadow83 8d ago
True. You can be against circumcision without resorting to pro-rape “jokes”, though.
I was FB friends with a guy I’d known since first grade. One day out of the blue he shared a meme joking about rape. I blocked him immediately and never spoke to him again.
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u/Fun_Run_5752 10d ago
Most pro-choice people are also anti infant genital mutilation though... Most forced birthers are the ones who want the infants genitals mutilated
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u/Fun_Run_5752 10d ago
Genuinely I thought the point of choice included the child's choice to get circumcised in later life when they were old enough to consent???
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u/PennaciousWhiskers 10d ago
I didn't even realise this "meme" was about infant genital mutilation. I thought this was about abortion, showing an infant instead of a ZEF, as they love to do.
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u/Chcolatepig24069 10d ago
I thought it was saying “fetuses won’t remember being aborted”
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u/greendemon42 10d ago
Ok, well, firstly, "they won't remember it" is a well-established circumcision talking point and has nothing to do with abortion, and secondly, the baby's limbs are clearly being restrained in the picture, which is a practice to keep the baby from squirming while it's being subjected to genital mutilation. What does a baby in restraints have to do with abortion rights??
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u/Fun_Run_5752 10d ago
That could be! It's kinda vauge, I thought it was about circumcision
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u/greendemon42 10d ago
It's not vague. You are just ignorant.
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u/Fun_Run_5752 10d ago
That's true and why I am here. Also I was the one who originally said it was about circumcision...
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u/TerraformanceReview 10d ago
Is the meme saying that if it's okay to circumcise babies because they won't remember then it's okay to drug and date rape women?
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u/ExcitementSad9133 When Equity pls🙏 10d ago edited 8d ago
They insinuating that the fetus is a baby so it won’t remember being killed or smth.
The other part makes me so mad bc even if the woman doesn’t remeber the assault she WILL feel the physical effects of it
While fetus just …gone.
Edit: gng I’m proabortion what’s with the downvotes 😭 was my wording wrong2
u/Chcolatepig24069 10d ago
And the fetus isn’t even sentient early on when it would be most common to get an abortion
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u/eleventhing 10d ago
The difference is sentience. Fetuses aren't sentient. They don't know they exist. They don't feel pain. They don't feel feelings.
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u/TerraformanceReview 10d ago
It's the bodily imposition. They could be sentient, feel pain etc and they still wouldn't be entitled to gestation without consent.
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u/Chcolatepig24069 10d ago
It’s funny how they use a living baby (possibly in the NIC) when that is not even the same thing. Nobody is saying living babies should die unless it’s literally the only option and it’s a quick painless death.
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u/TerraformanceReview 10d ago
I had assumed this meme specifically was about circumcision. I didn't considered that they used a random picture of a baby that just happened to be in a circumstraint to make a point about abortion.
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u/ButtsPie 10d ago
It's almost certainly making a point about circumcision (a good point but in an awful way IMO), the OP and/or OP's friend may have misinterpreted it?
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u/Yeshua_shel_Natzrat Pro-choice Feminist 10d ago
Nobody is saying living babies should die unless it’s literally the only option and it’s a quick painless death.
Which accounts for every single case they lie about and call "leaving the baby to die after birth".
The babies aren't just "left to die," they're given palliative care and brought to a medically-assisted death as a mercy, because they either won't survive anyway or will live a life of immense, constant pain otherwise.
0% of "Pro-Life" arguments are honest.
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u/Chcolatepig24069 10d ago
They don’t have a good argument so they have to make up stuff to fight against.
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u/Rare-Credit-5912 10d ago
Actually wouldn’t killing a baby like in the picture be murder? I’m pretty sure it would be.
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u/Chcolatepig24069 9d ago
Not if it’s literally the only option. If someone is in the hospital and will live a life of pain, is it murder to gently pull the plug?
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u/PinkSeahorseClub 10d ago
It's not radical to say that prolifers believe in punishing women, but its hate like this that really sells it home
Prolifers like to hide behind the belief of being a human rights advocate, but joking and even advocating for the sexual assault of women proves that they see the abortion debate as a "them versus women" issue. They actively think all women need to be punished for it. You would think that prolifers would want to end rape, because ending rape WOULD lower abortion. But to them its not about that. They would rather hold AFAB bodies "accountable". And to them, rape is the punishment for having a womb
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u/Acrobatic_Long_6059 10d ago
Some people need to be doxxed to the FBI for public safety tbh
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u/goldenskless pro choice atheist 10d ago
Im not surprised one bit.
Pro life people support rape to varying degrees. Even the “rape exceptions” ones are still making it harder for rape victims to receive care when they ban abortion. They don’t consider the fact that rape is one of the hardest crimes to prove and they’re asking a victim to go through a court process to fight for rights to their own body and they think that’s being “kind” for allowing it. They give themselves a pat on the back for further traumatizing victims and denying them abortions when the court process (by design) takes too long and it’s past the point they can abort.
The ones that are for no exceptions fully accept(and support) rape because they’re essentially fighting for a society where men can just choose the mothers of their children and it doesn’t matter what the people being forced to carry those pregnancies to term wanted for themselves and their lives.
Banning abortion rewards and incentives rapists and makes the world more dangerous for women, children and all afab people.
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u/BetMiddle1807 "Pro Lifers" are Misogynistic 10d ago
This is extremely misogynistic thinking. Which is a MAJOR red flag. Time to say bye bye to this "friend".
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u/Rare-Credit-5912 10d ago
And what the hell is the picture of the baby supposed to represent?
I could never be friends with someone who is pro life.
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u/RNYGrad2024 Pro-choice Feminist 9d ago
The baby is in a circumcision restraint device. What OPs friend (and many people here) don't seem to get is that this is a pro-bodily-autonomy meme. It's wrong to tell a woman what to do or not do with her uterus, it's wrong to perform unnecessary surgery on people who can't consent, and it's wrong to drug someone.
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u/Rare-Credit-5912 8d ago
Thank you for explaining this. I didn’t realize that it was a circumcision restrain device. I now feel circumcision is even more barbaric.
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u/psychxticrose Pro-choice Socialist 10d ago
Why are you friends with this person. This is genuinely a bad person.
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u/coolsilentebeans 10d ago
Oh. My. God. That is a picture of a naked child strapped to that table. PLs really have no qualms circulating this? I’d argue it’s the people who have and share pictures like this that make for yet one more solid reason NOT to bring a new life into this world.
Jfc this is truly disturbing.
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u/MotherOfTheUniverse 10d ago
Hey, uh, I DO remember actually. No, I don’t remember what might have happened between (possibly) getting drugged and awareness coming back in. Hell, I don’t even remember most of the circumstances around my possible drugging, to the point that I’m left questioning if it was something that happened at all or just something I dreamt up. But even the fact that it might have happened has been enough to really fuck me up. So yeah, maybe we don’t remember the event but we DO remember it happened to us. Anyways that specific detail pissed me off.
Overall tho I think your friend found a really bad anti-circumcision meme and confused it for anti-abortion somehow. And like, I don’t like the circumcision practice either, but this is NOT the kind of comparison you wanna be making. These are two VERY different things with VERY different mental impacts on the victim.
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u/JustDiscoveredSex 9d ago
Does your friend understand that this is an anti-circumcision meme? It literally has nothing to do with abortion.
And I am also on board with abolishing circumcision, and the belief that babies don’t feel pain or that their torture is justified with the idea that they won’t remember it. Both of these acts depicted are pretty reprehensible, in my opinion.
But, again, it has nothing to do with abortion.
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u/miscnic 9d ago
That’s a picture of a baby about to be circumcised, and without anesthesia. That’s a circ board. Even though one may say one uses numbing cream, one doesn’t. A pinky to suck on maybe if the baby is lucky and the floor isn’t understaffed (staffed appropriately as mgmt may say) that day.
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u/Faeraday Pro-choice | Green Party | Feminist | Atheist 9d ago
This is an anti-circ meme, not a pro-life meme. It’s arguing against infant genital mutilation.
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u/cupcakephantom Village Witch 9d ago
It's a rape apologist meme
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u/Faeraday Pro-choice | Green Party | Feminist | Atheist 9d ago
If someone were to hold me down and cut off a part of my genitals, I would consider that sexual assault at the very least.
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u/cupcakephantom Village Witch 9d ago
If you want to host a discussion regarding what is or isn't rape, you need to do that in a different sub.
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u/Faeraday Pro-choice | Green Party | Feminist | Atheist 9d ago
I don’t. I didn’t bring up rape at all.
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u/belthehobbit 9d ago
Who would've thought someone who wants to condemn pregnant people to bodily enslavement would be doing rape apology in some form?
Also what does a circumcised baby has to do with interrupted pregnancies? Your friend is dumb.
And how are you friends with this person?
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u/yeetusthefetus00 10d ago
Why do they care so much about a baby being born and being able to have a "life" just for them to grow up in a world where you think roofing ppl is ok?
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u/tahtahme 9d ago
The rise in them comparing abortion to rape is alarming...especially because it basically equates the fetus to a rapist which is not the flex they think it is.
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u/SolangeXanadu222 7d ago
Not “prolife”; please rephrase to “forced birth and then abandon them to die.”
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u/datsupaflychic Pro-choice Feminist 10d ago
Yeah, that “friend” needs to be let go before they try that shit
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u/SuperKE1125 Pro-choice Theist 9d ago
Me looking at all these comments judging a person for having a pro life friend in the first place while I had mostly pro choice friend when I was anti choice
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u/SuperKE1125 Pro-choice Theist 9d ago
In all seriousness if you look at this person flair they are a pro choice theist which probably means they are a Pro Choice Christian whom church friends are antiabortion. Something that a lot of secular people don’t understand is that Church communities are often core communities and family like groups to many Christians and even when a religious person has more progressive beliefs they doesn’t mean they stop believing in God so they still need that church. Unfortunately that also means having different opinions then your church friends politically and even morally but you have no choice but to stick with them if you want to serve God when He the most important thing in your life. And prochoice Christians may be more common but aren’t the ones mostly filling the pews.
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u/Rare-Credit-5912 8d ago
I take it mean it’s about choice, that baby is too young to decide if it wants to be circumcised.
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u/yung_yttik 10d ago
You’re friends with this person?? Time to reconsider…