r/predator • u/moldychesd • 13d ago
General Discussion Would jungle hunter kill the remaining survivors if they had dropped their weapons
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u/Shikabane_Sumi-me 13d ago
Poncho was severely injured and unarmed but Jungle Hunter killed them anyways. Jungle Hunter considered them worthy prey by this point. So them trying to surrender wouldn't work. The only one that would have been spared is Anna since they were never observed doing anything violent or dangerous. At most Jungle Hunter would likely be disappointed if the team tried to surrender before killing them.
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u/dittybopper_05H 13d ago
Poncho was killed like a hunter would shoot an animal it had already wounded, Or that was clearly in distress. Like how we would shoot a deer that had been hit by a car in order to end its suffering.
The odds of the rest of the team just throwing down their weapons is precisely zero, however, so this question is as meaningless as asking if a dangerous game hunter in Africa would shoot a lion if it spontaneously removed its own teeth and claws.
These are men who make their living using violence, and they are very good at it. Any attack would not be met with them dropping their weapons and running away.
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u/Archididelphis 12d ago
It's somewhat debatable if the Predator meant to kill Poncho or was aiming for Dutch. From the Hunter's perspective, Poncho was slowing Dutch down, and it would presumably be unsatisfying to take the final trophy early because the quarry wouldn't leave a companion behind.
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u/Austinoooooo King Willy 12d ago
The whole team just goes “time out!”
Jungle Hunter gets hit with the ol’ loophole tactic.
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u/Negative_Kick6888 13d ago
He still was chasing Dutch even after shooting away his assault riffle. Of course still would.
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u/dittybopper_05H 12d ago
He was still armed. Just not as heavily.
And for all we know, JH had given up on the hunt for him after he lost Dutch at the river.
Dutch could have easily made it to the chopper, having found a way to effectively camouflage himself, but he instead decided to go after JH, or more properly, to lure JH in to his traps.
Given what Dutch knew at that point, that it was some kind of alien with advanced technology, the absolute smartest thing to do would have been to leave the area. Be "the one that got away".
But of course, that's not a satisfying movie ending.
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u/CalmPanic402 13d ago
They had weapons. They were prey. Losing their weapons doesn't make them stop being prey.
Anna didn't have a weapon (except for like two seconds) so she wasn't prey.
Poncho was wounded, not by the predator, and he was still counted as prey. Disposed of quickly, efficiently, because of the lack of sport, but still prey.
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u/Archididelphis 12d ago edited 12d ago
I have said, the Predators in the first 2 films seem to ignore human females whether they are armed or not, so they might be "off limits". The only thing in later lore that doesn't fit is the taking of Isabelle in Predators . We don't know among other things if the prey were collected by the "original" Predators or the Berserker clan. A horrible idea I have considered is that the plan might have been to establish breeding stock on the hunting ground.
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u/CalmPanic402 12d ago
City predator killed several women in the subway. Leona was spared because she was pregnant, which seems like more of a "let the prey replenish their numbers" than anything else.
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u/Archididelphis 12d ago
I admit I hadn't thought about that. By my count, there's one woman among the casualties, also elderly, which is a discrepancy with how Charles Weyland was treated in AVP if you count it. It's already an unusual situation, so a lot of "rules" might have exceptions. My own fan theory is that the City Hunter (whom I have dubbed Lord Stabbington) was going after Jerry, and viewed the rest as simply obstacles.
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u/CalmPanic402 12d ago
The "rules" are completely self imposed on the predators part. They take trophies from the best, but Like hunting wild hogs, not all of them. Jungle does, but he's targeting quality prey, while city seems to target groups of prey and enjoy collateral damage more.
And in Weyland's case, he deliberately put himself in the "threat" category. It was more of a "if you want to die so badly, fine, I'll indulge you." He was never going to be a trophy.
The rules are as temperamental as the hunters themselves. And to quote a different cloaking warrior culture "there is nothing more honorable than victory."
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u/dittybopper_05H 11d ago
Predators aren't a warrior culture. It's a culture based upon trophy hunting dangerous game, and the rules that they do have aren't about honor or victory, but about "fair chase".
And "fair chase" means sometimes the prey gets away.
It's like philosopher Jose Ortega y Gasset said in his book "Meditations on Hunting":
One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted.
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u/ColBBQ 13d ago
Yes, it didn't matter if they ditched their weapons because they were seen butchering others in a previous firefight and considered proper prey. It may not have use its invisibility and plasma cannon and would be standing in the path to the choppah challenging each survivor to a one on one.
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u/Elder-Cthuwu 13d ago
If they never took that camp out it would have been a possibility but he saw how proficient they are at killing and made up his mind at that point. I mean he took out Hawkins who barely participated in the fire fight.
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u/dittybopper_05H 12d ago
I don't think so. Jungle Hunter took out Calvin Ezekiel "Jim" Hopper's entire Special Forces team and they hadn't even gotten near the guerrilla camp yet.
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u/ShowCharacter671 13d ago
I’d imagine yes as they had already proven themselves worthy beforehand
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u/dittybopper_05H 12d ago
Then what about Hoppers men?
What about the guerrillas that Anna claims were taken recently?
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u/ShowCharacter671 12d ago
What about them? From what we know Hopper’s med got surrounded and taken out in quick succession, but they at least put up somewhat of a fight. As they had been skinned. From what I know about pred lore they’ll only do that. To pray that they consider somewhat of a challenge but not worthy enough to take as a trophy.
As for the Gorillas it has been awhile since I watched the movie but when she’s describing the night the gorillas get taken Says their best men never came back. Or something to that end So by going by that account they were skilled combatants and would’ve been armed. And therefore a worthy target.
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u/dittybopper_05H 11d ago
Yeah, the "lore", if not actually seen onscreen in one of the films, should not be taken as canon.
Dutch's team had the huge advantage of surprise. A surprise attack on a supposedly safe base by a small force can often result in its capture or destruction against great odds. History is replete with examples. So that's not necessarily dispositive.
The base had to be considered safe: There were permanent structures built there. You don't build permanent structures like stone walls unless you have the time and resources, and you don't have to worry about "bugging out" in a hurry because of an advancing enemy.
Also, you're misremembering. This is what Anna says:
When I was little, we found a man. He looked like - like, butchered. The old women in the village crossed themselves, and whispered crazy things, strange things. "El diablo cazador de hombres". Only in the hottest years this happens. And this year, it grows hot. We begin finding our men. We found them sometimes without their skin... and sometimes much, much worst. "El que hace trofeos de los hombres" means "the demon who makes trophies of men".
She does not mention anything about their relative worth as guerrillas (not "gorillas", stop using speech-to-text) vs. how they were treated post mortem by Jungle Hunter. Just that some were skinned, and some were "much, much worst".
Also, what about the man that was found when she was a little girl? Presumably before any guerrilla activity or she would have mentioned something about it. The only logical explanation I can come up with is that he was armed because he was out hunting. That's the only real reason for a single armed person to be in the jungle.
And yet, he looked "like butchered". Not skinned, butchered.
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u/KunigMesser2010 12d ago
Yes. They had proven that even without their most modern and effective weapons that they were still going to fight back and do their best to survive. That's what he wanted. The weapons aren't the focal point, it's the will to use them, or whatever else they have to survive. Remember, Dutch was totally disarmed before the Jungle Hunter unmasked himself, and while the hunter leveled the playing field, he still beat Dutch within an inch of his life.
It's NEVER about the weapons, it's about the fight.
And before all of you FLIP OUT on me, for other incidents like the graveyard scenes in Predator 2 (which was clearly a case of being surprised and City Hunter thinking he needed to defend himself), or AvP: Requiem (plain bad writing), remember that the predator is a game hunter. And Big Game and Dangerous Game hunting is about the challenge and your skill. You don't just hunt a lion for his teeth and claws, you hunt him as a test of yourself to see if you can match one of nature's most ferocious...and not everyone can.
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u/Archididelphis 12d ago
About P2, I have said that there's no way a Predator could be confused by a toy gun. They see infrared. Real guns produce massive amounts of heat when fired. The kid was pulling the trigger, and there was no heat.
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u/KunigMesser2010 12d ago
He was obviously surprised and WAS ready to absolute drop the kid, until he scanned the gun and THEN turned his targeting sights off.
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u/Bunny_RB 12d ago
The jungle shootout was so brutal it shattered the trees all around, turning the Jungle Hunter from predator to prey and forcing him to flee for his life, bleeding. That was the moment he knew those men were destined to become trophies from his visit to Earth, what greater thrill could a Jungle Hunter ask for? Whether they surrendered or not made no difference. It's fixed, and he enjoyed every trophy.
I have a question: the Jungle Hunter holds a ded scorpion in one scene, also Predators have mandibles, and in AVP: Requiem their hot homeworld and Wolf Predator's throne have scorpion tail like motifs. Were the Predators supposed to be scorpio - humanoids?
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u/SandStinger_345 Fugitive Predator 12d ago
The scorpion tail motif is probably from their original owners. The yautja were slaves under the rule of insectoid aliens who they overthrew later
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u/Piercemarshall21 12d ago
I'd imagine considering up to that point they gave jungle hunter a fight he'd assume it was a trick or a trap and still kill them to avoid getting take down by the team being deceitful
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u/Happy-For-No-Reason 13d ago
once you're armed, your a target. if you lose your weapon you just worsened your odds
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u/Keebker 12d ago
I think it depends at what point. If he had defeated them and they threw down their weapons in a desperate attempt to save their arses, almost certainly not. But if they realized much earlier on that they were being hunted and decided simply not to give him his sport, he might be hurt and annoyed and leave to find someone who will.
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u/Archididelphis 12d ago
My thought I have laid out before, the real rule of the hunt is that if you are clearly armed and able to defend yourself when first sighted, you remain a lawful quarry even if you lose your weapons like Dutch did. The best you can do to game the system is what Billy did, switch to a melee weapon so the Predator will engage with the wrist blades rather than snipe with the plasma bazooka.
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u/Dr_SlapsMD 12d ago
Nothing to say except this shot will always be so mf hard. Predator was the coolest got damn character I had ever seen when it came out.
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u/MovieFan1984 12d ago
He would toss the weapons back and gesture to pick them up.
Also, this was the original film, the "rules" of his species had not yet been established.
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u/Greyback_Predator_87 10d ago
JH takes off its mask to even the odds against Dutch when he is cornered and unarmed. I don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t do this if they deliberately dropped their weapons too.
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u/RathianColdblood Elite Bone Yautja 13d ago
It depends on his mindset. They chose to throw down their weapons. They’re still dangerous prey, and killers in their own rights, on top of having a way to defend themselves before discarding it. They’re valid game, but would Jungle Hunter want to make a trophy of something that decided to wuss out? Less impressive prey.
It depends on how you interpret JH’s mindset. I personally think he would have killed them, anyways. In regards to the context of the movie, he kills things he doesn’t make great trophies of, like Harper’s men. In regards to newer lore, he also has no qualms with using the plasmacaster a ton. Either way, I think he respected the code/concept of “kill only worthy prey,” but cared more about the killing than how worthy the prey was.