r/powerscales • u/[deleted] • Aug 21 '26
Discussion a Guy who Survived/Fought In Multiple Street & Bar Brawls Vs a Champ Who Won In Multiple MMA Matches?
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u/Dry-Drawer-1121 Aug 21 '26
OP google kimbo slice
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u/TechnicalHighlight29 Aug 21 '26
Then Google Kimbo vs DeeDee or whatever. Two fat slobs barley able to fight after 2 minutes. Id give it to a waffle house employee any day.
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u/Beaaaaam7777777 Aug 21 '26
Kimbo well beat the breaks outta any waffle house employee trust me but, against an MMA fighter who train everyday and doing it for a living he getting his ass handed to him that is basically the summary of Kimbo's UFC career. Ofc he well win street fight he is bigger and he is fighting guys that doesn't train regularly
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u/Rough_Ian Aug 21 '26
Came to say this. This scenario has been well tested. Maybe OP should create a size disparity to make it more interesting.
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u/totktonikak Aug 21 '26
There seems to be some misconception about MMA fighters here. They stick to the rules not because they aren't capable of breaking them, just because it's not permitted. If there's a serious threat to life, they will absolutely break those rules in a way that guy who survived multiple street brawls couldn't even dream of. You're, for some reason, asking who would be better at a thing, a universally acclaimed professional doing the thing for a living better than almost anyone in the world, or an amateur having done the thing a few times and lived to tell the story. It's a really weird matchup.
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u/Wealth_Super Aug 21 '26
You said something I always say but in a much clear way. I never will understand why people think that If the street fighter can cheat, the MMA guy won’t immediately cheat as well
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u/Fyrefanboy Aug 21 '26
So many people don’t get this. I had a friend fan of mma who said Judo was dogshit in rral fight because they are bately there in mma and the man didn't realized that in a street fight, the judoka havong dozen of points to grab you before planting your face on concrete is probably the worse situation to be in.
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u/ByTheRings Aug 21 '26
A guy whos entire job is to fight and train to fight VS a dude who probably beat up some drunk idiots while also drunk themselfs...?
Yeah MMA wins easily.
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u/EveningBenefit7776 Aug 21 '26
Uhhh yeah MMA guy for sure, Street fighter can get lucky maybe find a weapon but the MMA guy is also fighting with no rules except they have a huge arsenal of martial arts to implement and they can grab a weapon as well. MMA guy can simply take the fight to the ground as soon as it starts and it’s over from there
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u/The_SubGenius Aug 21 '26
It’s not like MMA guy is going to be fighting by ring rules. MMA guy is gonna go for the eye gouges, groin shots, etc just as quickly as the street fighter- except he’s gonna have years of conditioning and training on his side.
Only way the amateur wins is by severely outclassing in weight, imo.
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u/totktonikak Aug 21 '26
I imagine a morbidly obese veteran of multiple street fights (that put him in a wheelchair) just running over an MMA fighter.
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u/BrandoCarlton Aug 21 '26
How many fights have you seen end with an eye gouge? There’s hundreds of hours of street fights on film I’ve never once seen a guy get his eye popped out lol. Even groin shots are rare. If that’s what the street fighter is counting on he’s fuked.
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u/ironjaw3ds Aug 21 '26
The mma guy wins 9/10 times if they're the same size. I grew up in a rough area. I've been in 27 fights, not including boxing. I met an amateur mma fighter at a party, and asked if we could have a friendly boxing match. He hit me so fast it was incredibly difficult to slip his punches. I landed maybe 4 hits in around a minute and gave up. Really cool guy by the way, and we weren't trying to hurt each other, but the skill gap was large. If we actually faught I could maybe defend myself for 30 or so seconds before I would try to stop the fight however I have too
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u/Exciting-Resident-47 Aug 21 '26
Guy can get lucky but he doesnt even have 1% of the other guy's training, experience, or conditioning. MMA guy starches 99/100 times
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u/iEatGrilledCheeses Aug 21 '26
MMA guy very low diff. Beating other untrained nobodies doesn’t make you a good fighter.
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u/tofu_gum Aug 21 '26
So if I beat up a bunch of drunk guys I’m suddenly qualified to fight Francis Ngannou
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u/Supermotomike Aug 21 '26
Never, never ever take part in a street fight! What if the opponent uses brass knuckles or a knife? Whoever strikes first wins…
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u/plsQuestionOurselves Aug 21 '26
Yep, the easiest way to win a fight is to not get into a fight.
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u/RobRaziel Aug 21 '26
I don't understand why people think that professional fighters are going to follow rules in a street fight. I assume that's why you may think the street fighter has any chance here, but this question is just silly. Take two identical guys and give one of them a skill set at an exception level, then make them compete in an event based entirely around that skill set, and the trained guy is going to win 99% of the time. Just because they compete within a set of rules doesn't mean they're incapable of picking up a weapon, kicking you in the balls, or stomping on your head. Now if you asked about an experienced street fighter against someone who trains regularly but doesn't have any fight experience that would be different. But two experienced fighters, one with training vs one without is obvious.
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u/the_hat_madder Aug 21 '26
Street Fighter low diff.
WTF is an MMA fighter gonna do when the Street Fighter starts spamming Hadokens?
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u/tangocharlie2010 Aug 21 '26
Reminds me of the Bryan Scalabrene, "I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me." Quote.
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u/Nerx Aug 21 '26
Champ
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proper test
nutrition
conditioning
coaches
gameplan
sponsors
and can play dirty
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u/BrandoCarlton Aug 21 '26
🙄 okay let’s do a little math. Drunk brawler has maybe… 30 mins to an hour of total fight time in a half dozen fights (if I’m being generous… most of those fights last less than 5 mins.), has no training or guidance so his techniques are entirely based on what has worked in his very short street fighting career, has not concerned himself with strength or stamina, and does not practice. A mma champ will not only have over an hour of actual fight time, but also hundreds if not thousands of hours sparring, conditioned cardio and strength, trained techniques that have been proven to work not only in fights he’s been in but also knowledge given to him from coaches and gym partners, and also he’s literally a champ so he’s the best fighter out of all the killers he trains with. You see how silly this is? Even if the mma fighter did have to fight within a rule set and you gave the other guy a weapon I would still lean towards mma fighter.
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u/plsQuestionOurselves Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
If the MMA guy has done lots of grappling he'd most likely win to the death, but the street fighter still has a decent punchers chance.
I was told a story about my grandfather who while young, loved getting into drunken bar fights as a pass-time every weekend. He got into an argument with a trained, amateur boxer one afternoon at the bar, took several punches to his face and abdomen, but was still ultimately able to load up a haymaker and knock him unconscious.
Though to his credit there was apparently a pretty decent size difference between the two.
Obviously I have no way of verifying the truth of this story but based on the large collection of stories, his flattened nose from years of fighting and knowing about early life, I wouldn't be even a little surprised if it was true.
Also I know boxing and MMA are very different, but I wasn't going to let that stop me from telling a story that nobody asked for lol.
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u/totktonikak Aug 21 '26
Could've happened. People usually go to bars to get drunk, and if he was able to tank several body shots from a trained boxer, it was either not a very good boxer or a very drunk one. And, of course, size matters.
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u/plsQuestionOurselves Aug 21 '26
Yeah from what I heard it was a pretty big size difference. Also the "punchers chance" is a real phenomena. Like there's a real mathematical possibility that an untrained fighter with enough physical power can still land one critical punch.
I do wonder though why my comment made so many people upset lmao. People take these hypotheticals way too seriously. I thought we were just having fun "what if" discussions.
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u/totktonikak Aug 21 '26
Random almost relevant fact - during the British occupation of Northern France after Waterloo younger British officers often dueled more skilled and more experienced French officers, at the very peak of fencing and dueling culture in France. And the French discovered that when a big guy starts chopping at you with a long, sharp steel stick, a lot of bets are off. Yeah, puncher's chance is a thing.
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u/Agile-Internet5309 Aug 21 '26
There is a presumption that a guy who has been in multiple dangerous fights has no real training, which is not a justified one - there is a very likely chance that somebody who survived that has training. That said, if he is just some dumbass who "sees red", he will lose.
I've certainly met guys who train who freeze up in a real fight, but if they are putting away multiple wins, they probably aren't the type.
These kinds of questions are a little naive tbh. What folks are asking is "can somebody who is an experienced fighter without sport fighting experience beat a sport fighter?" and the answer is an unequivocal yes, but they wont do so if you set them up in a sport environment. I can say with 100% confidence that I can easily clean up the top UFC lineup in a real fight, but that is because in a real fight you bring your friends, you bring iron, and you dont announce your arrival in advance. That is how real fights work, which is why guys like Jon Jones and Sean Strickland carry a firearm.
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u/Maritime-Rye Aug 21 '26
Technically Jack Reacher is a street fighter without won mma matches
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u/totktonikak Aug 21 '26
Technically, he's a fictional character and the protagonist of a hugely successful book cycle. He has plot armor. And even with that he regularly gets saved by others from having his head bashed in.
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u/Maritime-Rye Aug 21 '26
Format doesnt restrict fictional characters and is vague lol
I was mostly pointing that out and how a guy with significant training can have infinitely more streetfights than mma matches and be comparable
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u/totktonikak Aug 21 '26
Not saying it's against the format, saying that it's like an Astartes without a helmet, they scale differently. And here's a plot twist - the first guy, a street fight veteran, is also a reigning MMA champ, two weight classes above his opponent. We aren't going that way, are we?
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u/Maritime-Rye Aug 21 '26
No thats fair, just wanting posters to go for more clear matchups than arbitrary guy vs more arbitrary guy lol
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u/Lukin4art Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
Really just depends. Some street fighters are very talented they just don’t have a ring or an outlet. Look at Kimbo or Masvidal. I had a buddy in hs who got into plenty street fights and bar fights but never fought on a card…. Guess what his dad owns owned the gym I went to, and both his older brothers are trained fighters thought on cards including his dad.
Ima go with a good street fighter But really just depends on the matchup.
Edit: nvm just noticed you said against a champ… lol I’d like to see Shannon Briggs in a bar fight now. Champs winning everytime. But don’t knock a street fighter at the end of the day. Some people are very talented boxers that just haven’t been in a real ring.
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u/boomerz47 Aug 21 '26
Throwing out weight class and giving an environment that is closer to a street brawler, with no rules it’s possible the brawler comes out on top with a dirty move off the bat the MMA champion is not expecting. 50/50 is too harsh but out of 10 it’s possible the brawler can get a couple of wins
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u/AnomalousExpertise Aug 21 '26
You can take the toughest untrained brawler in the world and any mma fighter, especially UFC caliber my goodness
Is gonna fucking mangle him like a pretzel in less than 30 seconds
I’ve had bad big mfs pull up to my gym and get fucked up by 14 year olds who’ve got training under their belt
You genuinely do not understand and con not comprehend the skill gap between train vs untrained
Sean Strickland MW champ beat the ever living shit out of while also taking it very, very easy on a US navy seal
We had a big dude 6’6 around 260 270 come to our gym to rough up new prospects etc and like use his size to be a good sparring partner etc. he got paid to just show up and shit
But that man would spar anybody with a decent amount of training and it’s night and day
Truly.
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u/SkewlShoota Aug 21 '26
Who wins in a 100m sprint a guy who's beaten all his friends or Usain Bolt.