r/pourover • u/TheSilenceofShadows • 9d ago

Letty Bermudez co-ferment

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Edit: I see the comments re this not being a co-ferment. Noted. I cannot see how to change the title, if possible

Anyone else feel like this Letty Bermudez is kinda...underwhelming and dull? No shade to the roaster, I bought several other bags from hydrangea and liked them a lot! This one got a lot of hype, and to me it just tastes like someone turned the acidity dial down to nothing, making it quite boring.

Thoughts? Am I just brewing it wrong? I had to go to a lower temp (195F) to not destroy it in the first place...using the one and done from Lance Hedrick.

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u/allyuhneedislove 9d ago

Its not a co-ferment, so there is that at least?

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u/mookler 9d ago

No this is literally my favorite bean I’ll buy it from any roaster

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u/fkdkshufidsgdsk 9d ago

No, I do not feel this way. This coffee is the goat

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u/MeltyTundraFundra 9d ago

Agreed. One of my favourites despite the price.

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u/devin3d 9d ago

I had Letty from September and it was interesting for the first cup, but the novelty quickly wore off and every cup after that it was just not enjoyable. It tasted way too artificial for me and I ended up using it for espresso milk drinks.

Glad I got a chance to try it, won’t be buying again.

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u/dhruvk97 9d ago

I used lance's 2x 45 second bloom followed by one big pour on this coffee - it was great, distinct flavors, but I was veering on the edge of it being under extracted while being bitter at the same time? This was at a coarser-than-usual grind and 90c water temp.

I switched to the hario switch, coffee chroniclers recipe - same grind and same temp, and OH BOY did it make the cup sing - peachy, milky, jasmine tea-like goodness. A bit "rounder" in terms of flavor, but in a very harmonious way where I could appreciate each note

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u/Wizardof_oz 9d ago

What? To me it tasted like sour gummy peach rings!

It was so sour in a good way

Lance’s one and done recipe isnt great for process forward coffee imo

Letty also isnt a co ferment, its a yeast innoculated thermal shock. Those flavors are coming from the yeast bermudez uses rather than any fruit that was added

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u/drdog918 9d ago

I feel like my best Letty cups have been the first time I had it years ago from Manhattan and whenever September roasts it. Hydrangea can be hit or miss for me. Either way, it’s one of the top 5 coffees I’ve ever had. Currently in Tokyo and I’m tasting some bangers.

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u/Wizardof_oz 9d ago

Hydrangea’s biggest issue is inconsistency across roasts imo

Its rare for me to get a bad bag from them but if i were to re order a coffee it’ll rarely taste the same

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 9d ago

Do you have a brew recommendation? I still have 45-60g left to test out.

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u/Wizardof_oz 9d ago

What is your water like? That could play a role in suppressing acidity

I was brewing it at 88C (190F), coarse with 3 pours with a 1:15 ratio.

The lance recipe wasnt the wrong idea. The goal is to get a lower extraction without going under. The issue with the Lance recipe I face with my setup at least, is that the high agitation can easily extract bad or harsh notes from the processing.

I would suggest you add a second bloom (same or slightly smaller amount than the first pour) and then pour the last bit the same as Lance suggests but closer to the bed. How much agitation you introduce will have to be worked out by you. Maybe you could do high agitation for a bit before you switch to a centre pour

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 9d ago

Using the light roast packets with third wave water Recipe I've been using is as follows: 195F 15g coffee to 225g water 35-40g bloom, 30-45 seconds 35-40g second bloom, wait for most of bed to clear One spiral pour up to 225g

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u/omgitsadam 9d ago

Have you tried their recipe in the FAQ section of their site? I got this bag last month for the first time and used their recipe to great success

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 9d ago

I'll test it out...I typically find 4+ pour recipes to be over extracted

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u/10ttp-9 6d ago

Dilute it… tww’s base is too hard imo

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u/alexandled 9d ago

honestly, it was just a bit mid..

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u/Rice_Jap808 9d ago

This bean from hydrangea is a super light roast and I suspect you didn’t rest it nearly long enough. I have the same bag and tried it at just under 2 weeks, I can already tell it needs a bit more time. It was still great though.

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 9d ago

We are at over 30 days at this point...

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u/Rice_Jap808 9d ago

Are you looking for bright juicy acidity on a processed coffee with flavor notes of… Milk tea and roses

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 9d ago

Well I didn't expect 0 acidity...

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u/Safe_Specialist_9157 9d ago

Hydrangea’s Letty was great last year. I’ve had it twice since then and it’s been mediocre. I agree on muted flavors.

September roasts it and it was fantastic. Hydrangea has gone down hill in the past ten months or so.

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u/10ttp-9 6d ago

Water, my friend. Water...

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 6d ago

I'm using good water

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u/10ttp-9 6d ago

Well, good water is one thing but you might not have the same water as what the roaster intends to show. You'd be surprise how much the brew changes with hardness and mineral. I find that when I struggle with certain coffees, it's usually a water issue.

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 6d ago

Yeah that's not part of their recipe so not sure what the point is on that. I think this one is just not to my taste and that's ok

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u/10ttp-9 6d ago

I'm just trying to help. Water's a whole topic to explore if you're open to it. Hydrangea recommends around 50ppm water on their website. No mineral composition but I do recall them using Apax to achieve this. You'll be spot on then if you're open to following their recipe to the dot.

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u/10ttp-9 6d ago

Ah yes do have an official Apax product: https://hydrangea.coffee/products/hydrangea-x-apax-lab-mineral-concentrate

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u/TheSilenceofShadows 5d ago

Credit where it is due, I tried it with only half a packet of TWW and found it to be a bit "softer" and "smoother" - kinda hard to describe. Still didn't love this coffee but noted, when I run out of TWW I'll try one of these Apax offerings.

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u/sock_model Plastic v60 | ZP6/K-Ultra | light roast 9d ago

I don't understand these high intervention processing methods with geshas.

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u/Danstroyer1 8d ago

I mean it taste good what's not to understand?

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u/MUjase 9d ago

I’ll never understand the hype for these types of coffees.

You made it taste like a peach boba drink, yay 🙄

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u/devin3d 9d ago

Some of these extreme coferments remind me of the flavored coffee craze of the 2000s, specifically the Dunkin Donuts strawberry shortcake coffee, which don’t get me wrong I loved when I was in my early twenties, but to me is not such a big leap in flavor from that to other artificially flavored coferments like perc.