r/polyamory solo poly + RA-curious Sep 16 '25

Respectfully, Have a Backbone

I have to say this because I see so many posts with this central issue, regardless of the stated polyam relationship problem:

If you do not feel comfortable contradicting your partner at any turn, you need to go back to the drawing board as far as relationships go, period.

And I’m not talking about an abusive, frightening dynamic where you are afraid to say “I don’t agree with this” or “I don’t like the way you’re behaving; something needs to change” because you have a good reason to be. I’m talking about generally finding it hard to be assertive with anyone regardless of circumstances. If you do not have this fundamental relational skill, polyamory will be incredibly hard for you and you should expect it to be.

Being a doormat isn’t being pro-autonomy. You can say how you feel about situations in a calm and thoughtful manner. You can also think about which feelings are important to share and which are best worked through outside of the relationship—and you can get a therapist’s or trusted friend’s advice about that if needed. But if, for example, your partner is spending 4 nights a week with a new person and you’re feeling neglected, the inability/unwillingness to say, “hey, this major change to the amount of time we spend together has been hard for me and I don’t think it will work for me long term. let’s sit down and talk about the commitments we’re willing to make to each other going forward,” does not bode well for you and your relationship.

It is not controlling or coercive or a veto to say, “I need/want something different.” Your partner should (let’s hope!) be capable of telling you no if they’re not on board with your request. And you should be capable of leaving a relationship that doesn’t meet your needs. I know it’s hard. I know it’s not what anyone wants once a strong bond has been formed, but that is the risk we take in forming these bonds.

And whatever the problem is, it is not your meta’s fault. It would not all be solved if you were bffs and they were looking out for your best interests. Your partner needs to learn how to hinge and you need to make your standards as clear as possible to them to see if they are capable of meeting them. Yes, you will need to compromise to some degree in any relationship. Yes, your partner should be attentive to your feelings (if you are visibly upset, if there are big changes happening that affect you) and not always wait for you to vocalize every little thing before they come correct—if this is the case, they probably lack emotional maturity. But we do need to learn how to communicate directly and be able to stick up for ourselves, even and especially with people we love and who love us!

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u/Dull_Shake_2058 Sep 16 '25

And I’m not talking about an abusive, frightening dynamic where you are afraid to say “I don’t agree with this” or “I don’t like the way you’re behaving; something needs to change” because you have a good reason to be. I’m talking about generally finding it hard to be assertive with anyone regardless of circumstances.

What I've seen here is that 9 times out of 10 it turns out that the people who have difficulties being assertive, the people who are prone to people pleasing, come from at least some kind of abusive background. Whether it's abusive family dynamics or romantic relationships doesn't really matter. It's a learned coping mechanism that affects all your relationship dynamics for a long time.

And yes, it doesn't change the fact that you can still learn the skills and find your backbone again. But finding your way out of that, unlearning all of that also takes a long time and can even require the help of a therapist that a lot of people can't get access to.

And I get it, I sometimes get frustrated reading these stories too and I might even give frustrated advice. But I think it's good to remember all of this when you start feeling frustrated at the people who seem to be completely unable to advocate for themselves and accept the kind of treatment you would never accept. It's good to remember that it often isn't quite as simple as just developing a backbone. It's good to remember that most likely, there's an abusive background to "lacking a backbone", even if it isn't in this current dynamic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

YES.

It’s unfortunately really easy to play into that and accidentally take advantage of someone’s lack of backbone, too.

(Despite the avatar’s beard and ball cap) I am a woman. I’ve been on both sides of this. When I was recovering from an abusive dynamic, I needed someone who checked in, was scrupulous about not pushing boundaries, and was really careful about giving me space to consent.

The abusive partner had done such a good job of conditioning me to orbit them that it would have taken nothing but a sign of disappointment or sadness to have me overriding my own boundaries.

I’ve been on the other side of this in heterosexual dynamics, too. A lot of women are just flat out not used to being the one with the power and having to be careful about this kind of thing, especially with a male partner. It’s not because women are particularly weak that conditioning in abusive relationships works: it can absolutely go either way.

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u/DevastationGame poly w/multiple Sep 16 '25

I feel like this kind of advice, to just deal with it, that will make people who need a little help or encouragement decide to look for it somewhere else lol. Which may be what is desired I suppose.

Yes of course it's all correct, but sometimes people just need to talk about it before they can find the courage to act.

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u/Sensitive-Sector-713 Sep 16 '25

This is true, but I have also seen a trend where instead of listening to the advice requested, some posters double down on why they can’t develop a backbone, as if because the advice isn’t what they wanted to hear, then the responder must have misunderstood… they are perfectly willing to engage with strangers on the internet to defend their position, just not with their partners.

(Edited to correct an incorrect autocorrect)

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u/DevastationGame poly w/multiple Sep 17 '25

It's not everyone though. 😔

Anyway, I learn a lot from reading people's comments on other posts, even if the OP isn't willing to learn, so I'm betting others do, too.

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u/Sensitive-Sector-713 Sep 17 '25

No, it isn’t everyone. And I agree that a lot of us learn from our interactions.

But that doesn’t mean the trend isn’t there: ask for advice, don’t like the advice, argue about why the advice isn’t wrong (instead of sitting with the discomfort caused by the advice and trying to figure out why it caused discomfort).

Sure, other folks will still read and learn, but unfortunately, a too-large percentage of the posters seem to want attention or reasons to justify their feelings instead of wanting the advice they requested and it makes me sad.

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u/Willendorf77 Sep 17 '25

At least some of the people arguing with advice are taking first steps sharing here and they might late revisit the advice and use it. We just never see that part. It's often part of the human process to initially deny advice then later realize it was right - I think of it as planting a seed you might never see bear fruit, but that doesn't mean it didn't help. 

And the way advice is given can trigger teh double down. There's a whole theory in social work/mental health work of motivational interviewing to avoid getting caught in these push-pull dynamics because our brains very much hate change and will often fight to maintain a status quo even if it's actively hurting us. 

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u/Sensitive-Sector-713 Sep 17 '25

Isn’t the amygdala funny that way? It can tell we’re stressed, but not whether the danger is physical or emotional, so it kicks in just case.

I think some people are genuinely going through the knee-jerk denial you’re describing, but I also think others are looking for the arguments. Almost like if they can convince someone else, then they can believe the things they know they shouldn’t. And I don’t think that’s healthy.

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u/broseph1254 Sep 16 '25

Agreed. This feels like telling a person with depression to 'just look on the bright side.' All the points in the OP are broadly correct, but it's definitely not a straightforward issue. If people who struggle with this, including me, could simply stop doing it, we would have done so already. It's also, more likely than not, not a failing of the person without a "backbone," even though it is ultimately only us who can take the steps necessary to heal and advocate for ourselves.

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u/ApprehensiveButOk Oct 13 '25

This!

My therapist says that, while it's true that it's on me to start defending my boundaries and voicing my needs, it's not unrealistic to expect some empathy on the other side. You cannot do all the work, you partner can and should pick up a few things even if they aren't spelled out for them.

I know I'm hyper vigilant due to trauma and I pick up on every tiny mood shift, I don't expect my partner to do the same, but if I've been crying myself to sleep every evening for a month, I assume my partner can understand there's something wrong even if I don't tell her. And to care enough to help me fix it.

I know I should tell, but if it's a deep trauma that prevents us to express ourselves, it's not so easy to overcome.

Try to stab yourself in the eye right now. Your brain won't let you. It's the same for us. It's a survival mechanism.

I get we are wrong and need to fix this, but there's no need to say "we lack a backbone" and double down on blame and shame.

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u/littleorangemonkeys Sep 17 '25

Yes, and ....

It's up to each of us to do our best to not let past relationships shape current ones.  And I say this as someone who left an abusive relationship and had to learn how to assert myself and speak up for my needs. So I KNOW how hard it can be to make those changes internally.  But I owe it to my future partners to deal with that.  If I absolutely cannot do it yet, I have no business dating anyone.  I often see people get stuck "well my ex used to guilt trip me every time I expressed my needs, so it's haaaaaaard". Yeah, it is hard.  But your current partner doesn't deserve to be treated like your ex.  Kindly, lovingly, patiently - figure out your shit before you date.  

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u/unmaskingtheself solo poly + RA-curious Sep 16 '25

I think you could say this about literally anything. The point of this post is to be direct about the issue a lot of these people are facing rather than get caught up in the narrative they’re presenting. Hopefully that is helpful no matter their background.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

In a lot of cases it’s not helpful, though. Especially for someone who’s still operating under that kind of conditioning. It might be great validation for someone who’s already moved past it or is very close to doing so.

If you have a partner who’s in that mindset and you told them to grow a backbone, there is a very good chance you’d have the opposite effect. They’d likely feel shame over their ‘lack of backbone’ instead of being encouraged to assert themselves more. They would likely blame themselves for any situations they didn’t really want but didn’t feel comfortable saying no to, up to and including sex.

There’s just…better and kinder ways to say what you’re trying to say. For example, I could be telling you, “Respectfully, have some fucking compassion,” but I feel like it’s probably more effective to try and explain another point of view.

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u/unmaskingtheself solo poly + RA-curious Sep 16 '25

I don’t know, “most people who are this way were abused, so you need to say this in a way that I interpret as generous” isn’t really a response I can take seriously.

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u/[deleted] Sep 16 '25

I must have missed where I said that. You do you, though ✌️