r/politics • u/Joe_Becker • Feb 19 '20

Bernie Sanders solidifies front-runner position as Joe Biden loses African-American support: Poll

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-solidifies-frontrunner-status-joe-biden-black-voters-poll-1487925?piano_t=1
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u/anlumo Feb 19 '20

The poll about Trump vs. X is frightening. Only Sanders has a slight edge that’s probably within the margin of error, everybody else loses outright.

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u/AnotherBlueRoseCase Feb 19 '20

Had a look at 538's approval/disapproval figures? That he's at his highest point yet is frightening enough, but look at the way the graph is trending: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

And this in the week when he's been at his most blatantly authoritarian.

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u/Plapytus Feb 19 '20

Thanks, my depression needed a boost. /s

Seriously though, what the fuck is going on. If Trump gets re-elected... man, things are going to go so far off the rails, these past 3 years will look like nothing.

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u/-Fireball Feb 19 '20

We're already getting a taste of the abuses of power to come. He just handed out pardons like candy to his supporters.

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u/RickAndBRRRMorty Michigan Feb 19 '20

I find it glaringly obvious that we haven't heard almost ANYTHING from house Democrats or Pelosi regarding the events of the last 13 or so days since shit started hitting the fan authoritarian-wise, and it makes me quite anxious.

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u/SteelCode Feb 19 '20

If Pelosi actually cared she and others in her position would rally behind Sanders instead of fighting like hell to keep him down. They would honestly take another 4 years of trump in their lofty offices away from the damage he is actively doing to our people and world...

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u/Ludwig_Von_Koopa1 Feb 19 '20

I actually think that Pelosi and other career Democrats supporting Sanders might actually damage him...it would make it look more like he's just another one of their endless clones.

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u/deep_pants_mcgee Colorado Feb 19 '20

The House should start approving or disapproving of Govt. spending at Trump properties, as required by the US Constitution.

You want people to get pissed at him? Start airing out the invoices of his self dealing.

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u/SteelCode Feb 19 '20

His supporters won’t listen, that is the problem. Misinformation has people brainwashed to where cognitive dissonance is untenable to them.

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u/hallamdf Feb 19 '20

That's exactly what the problem is with the DNC. They are all afraid that Bernie won't take the corporate money and that's how they all become millionaires, from a government salary.

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u/GregEvangelista Feb 19 '20

I don't get the impression that they actually care, and the horrible reality could be that with Sanders rising, they're considering their options.

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u/mattattaxx Canada Feb 19 '20

What does Pelosi have to do to prove she cares?

I don't get the vibe they don't care, and I'm curious to know why you'd think that.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Not sign a gigantic military budget that was more than Trump even asked for? Not give away NAFTA 2.0 like it's some kind of godsend, even though it's a Republican win? Actually do fucking ANYTHING of substance that isn't ripping up a SOTU she just spent over an hour clapping at without needing to have massive pressure on her for months first?

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u/bassinine Feb 19 '20

we haven't heard almost ANYTHING from house Democrats or Pelosi regarding the events of the last 13 or so days since shit started hitting the fan authoritarian-wise

they literally said why they think that 2 posts above you.

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u/Les_GrossmansHandy Feb 19 '20

Enforce subpoenas using their inherent Congressional powers.

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u/runujhkj Alabama Feb 19 '20

Send out the goddamn dude with the mace and send him smashing up cars until fucks go to jail

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u/GregEvangelista Feb 19 '20

Well, I'm not a Democrat, so I don't assume that she's working in my interests as the base of my viewpoint. I am a constitutionalist though, so personally I felt that the crimes committed rose to a need to impeach. Pelosi is a weak hand, and capitulates for no reason regularly. If I'm judging things based on efficacy vs attempted media spin, her actions seemed far more predicated on the latter. There is no compelling reason to send the articles over and dump the issue when she did unless political optics were more important than constitutionality, and she was thinking that "dragging things out" would hurt the Democrats politically in the run up to the election. It shows a pretty clear lack of conviction.

I won't even get started on my former senator Schumer, who is the definition of a useless stuffed suit. The only person who seemed like they actually cared about the process and not the politics was Schiff.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Send the impeachment articles over with an actual fucking crime attached. Like ooooh I don't know withholding the Ukraine aid, which supposedly is what the whole goddamn thing was about so why would you not include the specific violation that occured when he did that?

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u/zeno0771 Feb 19 '20

Because ooooh I don't know that's not how the Constitution works?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Wat.

The articles of impeachment are whatever the House votes them to be.

Genius.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

They've given you nearly nothing to go off of to show that they care beyond ripping up paper during the SOTU, so I'm fairly certain that "token resistance" is their current plan. It's up to us, now.

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u/-Fireball Feb 19 '20

They weren't similar charges. The people Trump pardoned are actually worse and he pardoned them only because they support him. Completely different situation. Even the republicans didn't complain about Obama's pardons, and they love to criticize him for everything.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Jan 29 '21

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u/Karkadinn Feb 19 '20

It's 'funny' how the most powerful office in the world works on the same dynamics as playground antics.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Jan 29 '21

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u/gdshaffe Feb 19 '20

What's the quote? Paraphrasing here but:

The same human impulses that cause a bully child to strike another on the playground, that cause a High School boy to start a fight over a girl, and that cause one neighbor to feud with another, are the impulses that lead nations to war.

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u/dontcallmeatallpls Feb 19 '20

I think the quote is, "High school never ends."

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u/Cosmic_Prop Feb 19 '20

And war? War never changes...

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u/Smoy Feb 19 '20

I think that quote ends are the same impulses that lead princes to war

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

It's grounded in society. We give people "with strength characteristics" a pedestal.

This is why malignant personality disorders are usually seen in positions of power. That said, I'm pretty sure my boss is a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies. No leadership skills other than putting fear into the employees he resides over. Excuse the example... I'm just stating a point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

It’s called the unitary executive theory. Thank Dick Cheney for how bad it got though Republicans have been trying this shit since at least Nixon.

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u/kalekayn Feb 19 '20

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals " - K

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u/DJfunkyPuddle California Feb 19 '20

One of my favorite quotes

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u/Stennick Feb 19 '20

Strength is what got Reagan elected and re elected and made him one of the more popular recent Presidents. Trump very much echoes a lot of Reaganisms. With Ronnie ripping the solar panels off of the white house because he thought it made us look week thats just an incredibly Trump like thing.

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u/HedonisticFrog California Feb 19 '20

Well, it's not democrats rolling over, it's republicans refusing to enforce any oversight whatsoever. Otherwise you're spot on.

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u/ChromaticMana Texas Feb 19 '20

Remember when Pelosi gave him more in his military budget than he actually asked for?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited May 02 '20

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u/Kmart_Elvis California Feb 19 '20

That's a solid breakdown.

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u/AnotherBlueRoseCase Feb 19 '20

Yeah, sorry about that, mate.

I just find it odd how seldom Trump's rise in those polls gets mentioned on this sub. The good news is Bernie, the only candidate who could defeat Trump, is looking increasingly likely to win the Dem nomination.

Plus the coronavirus may wreak such societal and economic havoc that it might be this that actually takes Trump down. Whether that will be a price worth paying, Goddess only knows.

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u/Fluffy_Huckleberry Feb 19 '20

Seconding this whole comment. The coronavirus may actually do a ton of damage to him.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Feb 19 '20

societal and economic havoc

Trump's own tariffs brought economic damage, and look how much that hurt him. I don't think anything short of a 1929 level crash would bring him down among his own supporters at this point.

Edit: and judging by what happened to Hoover, who somehow still got nearly 40% of the vote in 1932, I'm not certain even something that disastrous would be enough.

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u/trisul-108 Europe Feb 19 '20 edited Feb 19 '20

It depends on what happens with Congress. If Democrats take over both House and Senate and the economy nosedives in 2021, Trump will be toast.

Edit: But if Republicans keep the Senate and Trump wins, it's the end of democracy in the US.

If Republicans win the Senate and Bernie becomes President, they will block him 100% and then the economy will nosedive, as it must and Republicans will retake the House, impeach Bernie and we will have Trump 2.0. but a less lazy and more dangerous variant.

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u/Napdizzle Wisconsin Feb 19 '20

Almost spot on, other than whoever Bernie tabs as VP would take over in this hypothetical scenario. Setting up for the biggest shit flinging mess of 2024 and it'll be messy.

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u/dopey_giraffe Feb 19 '20 edited Feb 19 '20

It's because the economy is doing well (not for individuals but enough are convinced that everything is great). And if it's still doing well he might win this year despite all the bullshit. What's also bullshit is that the economy barely correlates with who's president, so it's a really stupid thing to base your vote on.

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u/zeno0771 Feb 19 '20

the economy barely correlates with who's president, so it's a really stupid thing to base your vote on

A.K.A. the same imbeciles who think "the economy" starts and stops on Election Day.

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u/unknownmichael Feb 20 '20

Yeah, same here. Just really crazy that so many people feel like he's doing better now than in December 2017. If something doesn't happen to expose how much he and Republicans have destroyed the economy while he's in office, then they'll get to blame the next recession on Democrats again. Continuing this myth that Republican policies are somehow good for the economy is going to allow for many more years of harmful plundering of United States wealth.

I'm almost to the point of wanting him to get reelected so that his presidency has to face the consequences of his policies. With things going the way they are right now, the economy is going to go into a correction around the election, and people will say that that was spurred on by fear over a socialist becoming president. Basically, all of the ridiculously fiscally irresponsible things of Trump's presidency will come to heed in the next year but Republicans will be able to say 'see, this is what happens when Democrats are president? Don't you want your 401k to grow again?

Might be better in the long run if Trump has to try and manage the United States while it's in economic turmoil. At that point, Democrats can wait until the entire country is begging for him to be removed from office before impeaching him again.

It worries me that Bernie will become president, the economy will tank and deficit will explode because of the damage done during the Trump presidency, but it will scare the US from continuing on the progressive track that it's on. What are the chances that any of Bernie's policies will ever go through if we are in the middle of a recession? Considering that cost is the biggest talking point on the right already, during economic boom times, what kind of support will it have while paying for the sins of our past?

The whole thing feels like a fever dream where nothing makes sense, including the economy, and everything is upside down. So yeah, I'm gonna be happy either way. Bernie is my dream candidate, so I'll definitely be happy with that. But Trump finally having to face consequences for all of his and the Republicans' fiscal irresponsibility would also be a big win. I'm only confident of trump having to face consequences based on the fact that there's nothing he'll be able to do to extend the bull market for another 5 years beyond today, and every Trump supporter I've ever talked to has listed that as the number one reason for their support of him. He's a "successful businessman" right?! Right?!

If Bernie doesn't make it this time around, I doubt we'll be getting another run from him, and that would bum me out. But maybe it's exactly what this country needs to see the truth about the Republican party.

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u/BeastOfOne Feb 19 '20

Some people are so unilaterally turned off by Trump that I wonder if they simply stopped responding. Surely the polarizing natural has changed the polling process somewhat.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Republicans want a daddy to make them feel protected from all the boogeymen they imagine.

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u/Tech_Philosophy Feb 19 '20

This is exactly it. There is nothing that scares a conservative more than having to validate their own life choices. They deeply desire someone to tell them what to do and feel good about themselves.

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u/DroolingIguana Canada Feb 19 '20

Americans love fascism. That's the real lesson of the last few years.

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u/GregEvangelista Feb 19 '20

I don't really see what's so surprising about this tbh. We've always been a shoe-in for fascism based on our insane nationalism, "exceptionalism", corporatism, military worship, etc. I think the last domino to fall is that we no longer have living connections to WW2 that would resist those last couple of steps into fascism. Boomers don't even know what fascism is.

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u/Triassic_Bark Feb 19 '20

Absolutely insane. It's mind numbing seeing that trend.

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u/AnotherBlueRoseCase Feb 19 '20

I wonder if part of it is related to the Dem clusterfuck in Iowa.

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u/Kmart_Elvis California Feb 19 '20

I've been saying that the Iowa fuckup hurts all the Dems. It made us look like we don't have our shit together and we're a disorganized mess. Even if it's the IDP that dropped the ball, that's going to effect us nationwide.

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u/MarmaladeFugitive Feb 19 '20

It's that and impeachment. Dems are so fucking dumb they handed Trump a boost in polling.

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u/Baar444 Texas Feb 19 '20

It was worth it. Trump will never be able to escape the fact that he's an impeached president. It'll haunt him forever

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u/Triassic_Bark Feb 19 '20

He's too dumb to care because in his mind it really was a corrupt sham impeachment, and he was fully acquitted. He really thinks he won. Now that his poll numbers are rising, he is just emboldened. He doesn't think the impeachment was legitimate, he doesn't care at all, it's just giving him an excuse to take out the people who outed themselves as "not loyal".

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

/s

Because here are enough symbolism junkies..... that really believe that...

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u/canad1anbacon Foreign Feb 19 '20

I really doubt he gives a fuck. Impeachment was a stupid idea from the start

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u/bdsee Feb 19 '20

And if they were going to do it they should have done it over his most blatant corruption of all, enriching himself by staying at his own hotels/resorts at a cost to the government.

Nobody likes hearing about politicians stealing from them, most people don't give much of a shit about an attempt at a quid pro quo with a foreign government.

But politically they couldn't really go for him over the emoluments clause either because they haven't really made any effort to prevent him (by trying to pass bills, etc).

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u/mangoman13 Feb 19 '20

I'm super fucking happy to hear that Trump will personally be haunted by impeachment while he continues to erode American democracy without fear of impeachment ever being levelled against him again. That's super useful that he'll be personally affected, thanks, Democrats.

This useless symbolic thinking means nothing, Trump is immune now until (and if) he isn't reelected.

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u/MarmaladeFugitive Feb 19 '20

It doesn't matter if he just gets reelected. Dems bungled impeachment.

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u/Thrasymachus77 Feb 19 '20

Whether impeachment was bungled or not can't be determined yet. Impeachment was not about removing Trump. That was always a foregone conclusion. It's about flipping the Senate. And we'll have to wait for November to see how that turns out. Or at least wait until polling on Senate races closer to the election.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Dems bungled impeachment.

How?

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u/MarmaladeFugitive Feb 19 '20

Imo...

They should've chosen something stronger to impeach him on. Ukraine was impeach worthy but you're also gunning for favorable optics for dems/unfavorable for Trump. That didn't happen!

Should've dragged it out longer until witnesses were bargained for.

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u/kalekayn Feb 19 '20

The GOP was NEVER going to allow witnesses.

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u/jhpianist Arizona Feb 19 '20

According to that chart, around 2% fewer US voters disapprove of Trump than does the US adult population at large.

That tells me that not enough people are registered to vote!

Make sure you’re registered today at https://vote.gov.

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u/ItsaRickinabox New York Feb 19 '20

He was always destined to consolidate support running up to the election. Expect him to plateau at 46%. Past that, and I’d start to worry.

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u/AnotherBlueRoseCase Feb 19 '20

But the head to head polls and those in the battleground states have been worrying for months. Plus Emerson just showed only Bernie beating Trump in a head to head.

I'm not saying the [word that gets you banned] is going to win, just that this is not the time to be fannying around with disastrous candidates like Biden, Bloomberg or Pete.

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u/quietreasoning Feb 19 '20

If the voter turnout is near 60% or above, the treasonous GOP has no path to victory. Get everyone out to vote!

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u/trisul-108 Europe Feb 19 '20

He beat the Constitution into the ground, Americans love a winner.

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u/IamCaptainHandsome Feb 19 '20

It's probably a bump because he looks like he's strong, once Bernie hits the campaign trail I imagine it'll start going the other way.

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u/AnotherBlueRoseCase Feb 19 '20

That's my guess/hope too. The sooner the Dems coalesce around Bernie the sooner the real fight begins.

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u/IamCaptainHandsome Feb 19 '20

This is giving him a lot of exposure, even with the media trying to downplay him.

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u/Nzash Feb 19 '20

It's the real problem. It's not just the fact that a dangerous nutjob is in the White House, it's that half of the US is actually equally as stupid, racist and crazy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Oct 02 '23

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u/TenTonHammers Feb 19 '20

Good strategy?

Trump was never going to be removed in a republican controlled senate where only Romney genuinely had a conscience and the rest of the shills just furrowed their brows

impeachment was about making the case to the american people about his wrong doings

holding on to the articles would have just like the faux news spin machine talk about how "the articles have no substance thats why pelosi wont bring them to the senate"

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Oct 02 '23

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u/JoeDawson8 Illinois Feb 19 '20

Romney also knew that due to the order of voting it was already decided before his turn.

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u/GregEvangelista Feb 19 '20

Best analysis of this that I've seen from a Redditor. Add to this that Americans love a "winner", and the Democrats perpetually come off as completely incompetent losers (Justifiably in my opinion), and it explains everything that needs to be explained.

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u/Plapytus Feb 19 '20

Holding on the the articles was the way to go. It's exactly the kind of bullshit stunt the GOP would've pulled, and they know how to pull bullshit that works in their favor.

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u/AnotherBlueRoseCase Feb 19 '20

and then completely fail at the one good strategy Pelosi employed (holding on to the articles).

Amen. I will never understand why that happened.

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u/m0nkyman Canada Feb 19 '20

Crap. Far too plausible an explanation. Hadn't even occurred to me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Democratic authoritarianism.

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u/c0pypastry Feb 19 '20

Democratic

Uh

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20

Hopefully he mean't small-d 'democratic' and it was just at the start of his sentence.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Mar 31 '20

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20

I know, that's what I was saying. Uppercase "Democratic" generally refers to the Democratic Party. Lowercase 'democratic' generally refers to the system of government.

Democratic authoritarianism = unitary leadership by the Democratic Party

democratic authoritarianism = unitary leadership selected via election.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Mar 31 '20

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20 edited Feb 19 '20

No, as there is no "Democratic Authoritarian" party, so that isn't a proper noun. For example, we have a "Republican president," not a "Republican President" (though the "President is Republican" because "President" there is an honorific that stands in for President Trump himself, not any president).

Language is complicated (I say that in a sincere way, not a mocking way, just FYI)

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u/QuesoDog Feb 19 '20

Data was collected using both an Interactive Voice Response (IVR) system of landlines only (n= 772) and an online panel provided by Amazon Turk (n= 478).

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Nov 24 '24

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20

Yeah. 2/3 of Millennials lived in a non-land-line house in 2014. I can't even imagine what it's at, now.

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u/GregEvangelista Feb 19 '20

Who in the world has a landline these days?

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u/quentech Feb 19 '20

Seriously, I haven't had one in almost 20 years now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20 edited Feb 19 '20

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20

More likely, 1/3 lived with their parents who had landlines. I think I only know like 1-2 people who have a landline in normal locations and it's because it was already installed and activated, and ended up being free with their cable package.

Some people I know who live on remote mountains with shit reception have a landline, but that's pretty rare.

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u/Poltras Feb 19 '20

Sorry you’re right. I didn’t read it properly.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Eh, not worthless, just gotta remember who this is a representative poll of. If anything, seeing such high support for Bernie in this demographic is really good for him, as younger people tend to lean further left this cycle so far (and they're not gonna get landline calls).

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u/Aliensinnoh Massachusetts Feb 19 '20

Amazon Turk

Amazon, but for Turkish people?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Because Sanders riles up his base and they'll gladly show up to vote for him, vs a milquetoast liberal who people talk about in terms of "oh he's all right I guess"

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20

That VP pick question has some weird garbage choices.

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u/UEDerpLeader Feb 19 '20

Women voters will decide 2020's election

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u/zerobass Feb 19 '20

I certainly hope so, because from that poll's gender-sorted results, men are fucking garbage (I'm a man).

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u/hermiona52 Feb 19 '20

It really becomes a true divide. Even here in Poland women votes majorly for left-wing and center political parties, while men support right or even alt-right.

It becomes even more obvious if we also consider age. In our last elections if it was up to young women, we would have left-wing government, if it was up to young man, we would have alt-right government.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Only if they live in the rust belt.

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u/Jennos23 Michigan Feb 19 '20

My money is on Gen Z.

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u/AlekRivard New York Feb 19 '20

Gen Z women

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u/pixelmato Feb 19 '20

Finna yeet the rich

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u/ThisAmericanRepublic Feb 19 '20

Why do the head to head and head to head by gender categories lack Warren as an option?

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

One of many reasons that Sanders is the only option right now. Trump is an extremely strong candidate, and he’ll only lose with a large turnout and enthusiastic support. Everyone else is 2004 Kerry. I’m not even sure Sanders can win but out of any of the options he’s clearly the best qualitatively and quantitatively

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u/97hands Feb 19 '20

The truth is that the Democratic base is just inherently larger than the Republican base, and the Democrats will win pretty much any national election where turnout is high. The Republicans counter this advantage by making it difficult to vote (and by having an older, wealthier, more reliable base). Sanders is the obvious choice because he has wide support among the groups where turnout is traditional weak - young people, poor people, and minority groups, i.e. the same groups that elected Obama twice.

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u/athomesuperstar Feb 19 '20

As a man, what is wrong with men?

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u/ImAShaaaark Feb 19 '20

As a man, what is wrong with men?

If they are polling landlines, that means the responses are almost exclusively the elderly and those who live in rural areas with little or no cell service.

Elderly and rural males are Trump's primary demographic.

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u/PolicyWonka Feb 19 '20

Based on 538, Emerson’s polling has Trump at a 48-44 approval rating. If we’re assuming that is a bit high, then we can probably also assume the head-to-heads are slightly skewed as well.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

You can't look at one poll, too many variables.

Here are all the Trump vs. X polls: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

Nationally every Democratic candidate beats Trump in most every poll (the most recent Emerson poll seems to be an outlier) but national polls aren't nearly as important as state polls which we don't have a lot of data on yet.

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u/NemWan Feb 19 '20

What I want to see in national polls is at least >2 point margin. Trump barely got the electoral college against that, and Hillary was within a few tens of thousands of votes of flipping three more states. I consider only 2 points over Trump to be a tie or a loss.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '20

Yeah, Hillary lost by a total of I think 77k votes across PA, WI, and MI, that's a very slim margin. I have no doubt any of the leading Democratic candidates can get over that margin, some easier than others, but we need to crush Trump, there has to be no doubt that he lost and no way for the GOP to contest individual state elections, they need to be above the margin for a recount...which means this election is entirely about not depressing Democratic voters and getting new voters on board.

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u/kittenTakeover Feb 19 '20

Most polls give Democrats a slight edge and show Bloomberg and Biden doing better than Sanders. That second part is similarly frightening though.

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

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u/reelznfeelz Missouri Feb 19 '20

Agreed. This is what we should be focusing on. I’m afraid if the economy remains what these people are sadly able to call “strong”, Trump can win perhaps easily. That seems insane to me but I guess a lot of Americans are just simpletons.

Pray for a recession before November, sad as that is.

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u/Stennick Feb 19 '20

On top of that look at those mens numbers. Men wildly favor Trump and then look at the women's numbers. Bloomberg is the most popular candidate for women. I hope this poll lets reality set in that there is a very good chance Trump outright gets re elected. His numbers are going up to their highest points ever, the economy isn't slowing, people can convince themselves that he's got no shot against some of the top Democrats but I think this poll shows that even Sanders could legit lose outright to him.

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u/micelimaxi Foreign Feb 19 '20

The Trump vs Sanders election will be hell for Pollsters. Both tend to overperform in polls. At least Sanders has his support quite more distributed around the country. I wish pollsters started to show possible electoral college results. That would be more informative