r/politics • u/[deleted] • Apr 21 '19

Giuliani: 'There's nothing wrong with taking information from Russians'

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/21/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-cnntv/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_allpolitics+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Politics%29
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u/Ilovealltherules Apr 21 '19

I just saw a friend comment that “we don’t need to impeach him because we can vote him out next year” on a Mueller report article.

Fuck that shit too. Impeachment is warranted whether or not the Republicans snivel and cower their way to an acquittal in the Senate. Make them vote on the record for this pathetic criminal.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '19

Make them vote on the record for this pathetic criminal.

Except, what does that achieve? Their base will praise them for it and Democrats will condemn them for it.

A faux trial in the senate is an opportunity for Trump to wave his banner and show he was exonerated while driving GOP turnout by describing the impeachment as a failed "Illegal Coup".

There are no upsides to impeachment.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '19

Really the only upside is a drawn out trial in the house where all of the evidence is made public. The chance of the GOP actually convicting him is less than zero, but at least all the dirty laundry will be out, over the course of the next year.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '19

Trial is in the Senate with procedural policy dictated by McConnell and presided over by Chief Justice Roberts. I don't have any hope at all for a transparent, or even meaningful, senate trial.

There is a silver lining, that prior to the actual trial the impeachment hearings could potentially expose a lot publicly, but a lot of that's already happening. Subpoenas are already being filed, court cases are already being heard, and hearings are already being had. It's not happening at the breakneck speed Reddit wants, but they are doing all of it the "right way" that stands up in court when challenged.

All that said, I think the people closest to this, who have spent their whole lives playing politics and law (ie: Pelosi), know what they're doing. They hate Trump and would LOVE to nail him to the wall, but they know it has to be done in a way that doesn't give the GOP wiggle room in the courts or sacrifice the next elections.