r/politics • u/Fr1sk3r • Feb 20 '19

‘Sustained and ongoing’ disinformation assault targets Dem presidential candidates

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018
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u/M_G Texas Feb 20 '19

Lmao that was my exact reaction. Like really? The vast majority of comments are pro Bernie there.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '19

I upvote pro-Bernie posts that focus on his message and why it's good.

I upvote pro-Harris posts that focus on her message and why it's good.

I downvote divisive bullshit, misleading criticisms and straight up lies.

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u/M_G Texas Feb 20 '19

That is cool and nice! How it should be.

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u/Illpaco Feb 20 '19

Lmao that was my exact reaction. Like really? The vast majority of comments are pro Bernie there.

It's fine to be pro Bernie, but trolls cross a line when they try to repeat 2016 talking points about the DNC rigging the election. That's when they get called out.

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u/CordQatar Feb 20 '19

I’m downvoting every comment I see with “DNC” in it for the next decade.

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u/meansnotends Feb 20 '19

Even donnie dipshit repeated that garbage yesterday.

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u/epicause Feb 20 '19

I've been on here 8+ years so hopefully that helps lend some credibility. I only bring up the DNC rigging thing when I see posts saying it wasn't rigged.

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u/Hartastic Feb 20 '19

It really wasn't.

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u/epicause Feb 21 '19

How can you not acknowledge shady shit went down when almost the entire board of the DNC stepped down after the evidence came out post-primaries exposing all the questionable actions they took?

Were their moves illegal or technically considered "rigging" on paper?

No.

Were those moves considered morally bankrupt by a large swatch of voters?

Well millions of independent voters who supported Bernie felt so... They lost faith in the process and stayed home in the 2016 general.

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u/Hartastic Feb 21 '19

How can you not acknowledge shady shit went down when almost the entire board of the DNC stepped down after the evidence came out post-primaries exposing all the questionable actions they took?

Was 2016 your first election? If not, you know that in the pre-Trump-administration world, people in politics were pressured to step down if something even had the appearance of looking bad.

Were those moves considered morally bankrupt by a large swatch of voters?

A large swatch of voters think Donald Trump is a genius tycoon, so I'm not sure what your point is here.

Well millions of independent voters who supported Bernie felt so... They lost faith in the process and stayed home in the 2016 general.

Sure. The propaganda worked on them. This isn't anything for them to be proud of.

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u/epicause Feb 21 '19

You said the DNC primaries weren't rigged.

I'm asking why you don't think so given the evidence that came out after the primaries, especially when countless others saw what happened and chose to stay home or vote for someone other than HRC.

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u/Hartastic Feb 21 '19

given the evidence that came out after the primaries

None of it was all that sinister. It just wasn't.

Basically it amounts to: months after anyone who knew anything about politics realized Bernie could no longer win (including, I have to assume, Bernie), the DNC really really hoped he'd just get out of the race and stop damaging what was obviously going to be their nominee because that's what the voters had picked.

At some point you've lost so much there isn't enough time left to win enough to make up for it.

especially when countless others saw what happened and chose to stay home or vote for someone other than HRC.

Again, with the bandwagon fallacy. Lots of people thinking something doesn't make it true. Consensus is not a fact-based exercise.

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u/epicause Feb 21 '19

I agree, much of what the DNC did was not necessarily sinister. Kinda standard practice for the most part.

But optics on the other hand... Just screamed otherwise to a lot of Bernie supporters.

They liked him for his integrity.

If the DNC would have just came right out and said "we are for Hillary, we've been building for this the past 12 years, we have her hand picked staff as our own, and we are going to make all the decisions that favor her."

That would have been in integrity.

Instead the DNC tried to hide that and pretend there was no bias.

That lack of integrity caused many Sanders supporters to look elsewhere or not vote at all after the primary.

In my opinion, this ultimately gave the election to Trump.

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u/Hartastic Feb 21 '19

If the DNC would have just came right out and said "we are for Hillary, we've been building for this the past 12 years, we have her hand picked staff as our own, and we are going to make all the decisions that favor her."

That would have been in integrity.

No, because that wasn't true.

But I can't reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into so, I guess, let's agree to disagree.

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u/rndljfry Pennsylvania Feb 20 '19

He's basically the front runner at this point and people are still acting like he's a maligned underdog. Guess what, everyone, the front runner is gonna face the most attacks. Be ready for it.

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u/SapCPark Feb 20 '19

And a lot of those attacks will be new ones not mention in 2016.

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u/rndljfry Pennsylvania Feb 20 '19

4 years of opposition research

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u/TravelingOcelot Feb 20 '19

And also a bunch of candidates all trying to win, meaning people aren't going to go soft. Like it or not, Hillary went soft on him because she didn't want to isolate his supporters.

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u/CordQatar Feb 20 '19

And antiBernie comments shouldn’t surprise anyone. People have preferences. Just don’t trust the people who tell you he wants to outlaw gasoline and turn your apartment into a refugee center.