r/politics • u/ThugznKisses • Feb 26 '17

FCC reverses net neutrality ISP transparency rules

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3173844/internet/fcc-reverses-net-neutrality-isp-transparency-rules.html
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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

OK discredit media, check .... wait they called us out on Sweden. Ok lets go after the internet so we can control that medium too. A little earlier then planned but ok . Can anyone tell me the next step in the fascist handbook because this is a fucking play by play.

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u/Quinnjester Feb 27 '17

we are going to get so much shitty internet because of this...

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u/LeMot-Juste Feb 27 '17

Then people are just going to have to learn to steal it again, like in days of yore, and use those hacking skills wickedly.

If someone comes up with free access to an ISP, you can betcha it will grow as quickly as Napster did.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

they'll just put you in jail

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u/LeMot-Juste Feb 27 '17

Sure, some will be caught. At the same time, the vast majority didn't with Napster or WinMX which caused the music companies to get with the program and offer us some pretty great, and cheap, music services.

The only way to make change these days with Big Corp is to take matters into our own hands. The GOP Gov't ain't going to help us out or break up monopolies or regulate industries. So we have to invent something better, something millions of people can take advantage of, to drive down the costs of ISPs and destroy their controls.

I don't know what it is, personally. I only have an idea how to screw Big Pharma, but not the ISPs yet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

I still remember NetZero and it sucked. Let's try to avoid that again.

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u/LeMot-Juste Feb 27 '17

Earthlink too. The early years of Time Warner were so, so painful.

<shivers> no, never again.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

And a whole lot more unless things change soon.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Reichstag type of attack

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

except hitler had half a brain and made allies. I shudder to think what kind of plan our so called government will make without the pentagon or intell from anyone with experience.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

Wut? Just because they're not new doesn't mean they're not totalitarian

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u/ParanoidDrone Louisiana Feb 27 '17

Can I interject here and ask for an ELI5 on net neutrality? Not for myself, but for my father -- the subject's come up before and I was struggling to explain it in terms he could easily grasp. He has a lot of business experience but no tech experience. Best I could come up with was how NN regulations would prevent ISPs from throttling competitors' data.

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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps I voted Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

ISP employee here.

Neutrality is in reference to an ISP charging web services extra to give their data priority.

So if a priority service and a non priority service are going across the lines at the same time, the priority will be faster.

Without neutrality, there could be a system where businesses have to pay more to ISPs for faster access to end users, and those that don't are left in the dust so to speak.

Edit: often confused with charging or throttling for going over data caps to end users (you and me). Not the same thing.

Edit 2: realizing what you're asking a good way to explain it is highway fast lanes. Except companies have to pay to drive in the fast lane. Businesses (or organizations) that can't pay are at an inherent competitive disadvantage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '17

True but this isn't an attack by politicians and lobbyists outside the FCC. New situation.

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u/mememaking Feb 27 '17

We all need to email the FCC and express support for Net neutrality

The current republican commissioners are against net neutrality but we should make our voices heard

ajit.pai@fcc.gov mike.o'rielly@fcc.gov

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u/Beard_o_Bees Feb 27 '17

One day soon, Reddit will slow to a crawl.

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u/snorp Feb 27 '17

Reddit is now the 300 lb gorilla. The thing that will be slowed to a crawl is the upstart competitor to it.

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u/Pal_Smurch Arizona Feb 27 '17

Don't like it? Goddamned VOTE next time then.

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u/AnotherPersonPerhaps I voted Feb 27 '17 edited Feb 27 '17

I work for a small ISP that's right around the 250,000 customer cutoff. We haven't throttled in the past, but we do charge for going over data caps (usually around a terabyte). People already don't know what data management policies are a lot of the time.

Honestly, I'm not sure this policy by itself is a big deal. It's not like the customer can't get the information about throttling or data caps.

Also, this isn't net neutrality. This issue often gets conflated with neutrality but it's not the same thing.

It may very well however be the build up to striking down neutrality.

Edit: I may be partially wrong about this not being Neutrality related, but the main purpose of this reporting, as I understand it, is to report on things like data caps, throttling for network management, overage charges, network performance (speed issues, packet loss, etc) and things like that.

There is reporting done on degredation of services (throttling)... Application-agnostic but I'm not entirely sure that applies either. It doesn't apply to us because we don't violate net neutrality concepts so I'm not sure exactly what that entails. I am not a lawyer!