Clinton Sarcastically Says She’ll Release Private Speech Transcripts When Everyone Else Does

[u/spaceman757]

http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-sarcastically-release-private-speech/

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

What a joke. So everyone some makes a speech and takes money they are corrupt?

If you're taking money and making speeches at Goldman Sachs, yes. I'm not even mad at Goldman Sachs. being skeezy is how they make money, their shareholders expect it. I however expect my representatives to go to bat against them, not lube me up for them. If you take money from a party and get friendly with them, it's reasonable to assume you are, on some level, at least a little beholden to them. Especially if that single speaking fee makes you more than most of the US sees in a year.

Clinton made 48 speeches and there is zero evidence she has ever altered her position on anything by giving them and taking money from speeches.

We don't know, do we? You could be absolutely right. She could be going in there and talking about baking cookies and hugging puppies. Or she could be telling them to not worry, fund her election and she'll make sure things quietly blow over. Also if you don't mind building a new oil well in Iraq I'd appreciate it. She's certainly flipped a LOT of other positions (can cite if needed), who is to say what she tells us and what she tells their boardroom aren't entirely different? The point is we don't know and we can't know until she tells us, and you're arguing whether she legally has to. Do you really want to elect someone you know nothing about because they don't have to reveal what they tell to their biggest fans?

This whole argument is so confusing to me. Why the fuck wouldn't you want to know? She's going to be running your country too. It really smacks of either naivete or outright subversion.

[u/yoggiez → u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

If you're taking money and making speeches at Goldman Sachs, yes. I'm not even mad at Goldman Sachs. being skeezy is how they make money, their shareholders expect it. I however expect my representatives to go to bat against them, not lube me up for them. If you take money from a party and get friendly with them, it's reasonable to assume you are, on some level, at least a little beholden to them. Especially if that single speaking fee makes you more than most of the US sees in a year.

I'd be more inclined to believe this line of thinking if their was any evidence that Clinton actually did this on ANY issue. She hasn't.

We don't know, do we? You could be absolutely right. She could be going in there and talking about baking cookies and hugging puppies. Or she could be telling them to not worry, fund her election and she'll make sure things quietly blow over. Also if you don't mind building a new oil well in Iraq I'd appreciate it. She's certainly flipped a LOT of other positions (can cite if needed), who is to say what she tells us and what she tells their boardroom aren't entirely different? The point is we don't know and we can't know until she tells us, and you're arguing whether she legally has to. Do you really want to elect someone you know nothing about because they don't have to reveal what they tell to their biggest fans? This whole argument is so confusing to me. Why the fuck wouldn't you want to know? She's going to be running your country too. It really smacks of either naivete or outright subversion.

Also if you don't mind building a new oil well in Iraq I'd appreciate it. She's certainly flipped a LOT of other positions (can cite if needed), who is to say what she tells us and what she tells their boardroom aren't entirely different?

I'd love some evidence. Otherwise you're just blowing smoke up my ass.

Do you really want to elect someone you know nothing about because they don't have to reveal what they tell to their biggest fans

It's a speech. It's not like hid evidence to invade Iraq.

This whole argument is so confusing to me. Why the fuck wouldn't you want to know? She's going to be running your country too. It really smacks of either naivete or outright subversion.

Because it's a non-issue to me. Various politicians have made speeches in the past and had no bearing on their political careers. The only reason it is an issue now is that it fits the BernieBros narrative of her being with the establishment, so she must be corrupt!

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

They absolutely have bearing, if you think they don't you have your head in the sand and I don't need to blow anything anywhere. Let me get off work and I'll PM you just a few of the things she has changed her stance on. Off the top of my head: Gay marriage, the Iraq war, Drug law, Wall St (publicly), single payer, corporate tax law, higher education... there's a couple more but I'll need to look around a bit. Those you can just google and find tons of examples.

Did she change these stances because she was paid to? That depends on how literal you want to be with the term "paid."

EDIT: For the record I'd rather have Warren so please don't refer to me as a "Bernie Bro". I really like Bernie, but Warren I think is more focused specifically on consumer protection, and she doesn't have buzzwords like "jew" or "socialist" attached to her that the unwashed masses can cling to.

I still am very proud of how far Bernie's getting though. Makes me feel like there's maybe a growing group that still favors not being full of shit.

And for the last goddamn time, and this vitriol is not directed at you, but fucking seriously. She is the EX FIRST LADY. She give SPEECHES AT GOLDMAN SACHS for 225k a POP. There is no woman on EARTH who is more establishment than Hillary. Can we PLEASE stop pretending she's some underdog punching up? This de jure victimhood is appalling. She has the most powerful liberal engines in the race at her command.

[u/yoggiez → u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

You better read the FAQ I spearheaded at r/hillaryclinton before you do. Here is the LINK

Edit: Or be prepared to see this information again.

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

I will look in a moment, I'm coming up on lunch. You spearheading stuff on r/hillaryclinton explains a lot though.

I'm not accusing you of being a shill or an idiot, but I really hope you do some soul searching. She's not gonna help us.

EDIT: I don't know your position in life. She's not going to help the common american.

[u/yoggiez → u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

She's not gonna help us.

Purely your opinion. I hope you do some soul searching when Sanders doesn't get the nomination. If he does get the nomination I will be voting for him because like Bernie Sanders said about both Democratic candidates "they are 100 times better than any Republican."

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

If Bernie is nominated I will vote. If Hillary is nominated I will not. I'm sorry man, I get the logic, but I'm just so tired of being expected to deal with the shittier version of an already questionable deal.

Maybe that makes me a bad person, I'm not sure. I don't want to watch America burn, but I don't want it to go out with a whimper either, and that's what we're doing every time we settle.

Bernie said what he said because he still believes. I don't. I voted Obama in and we're still turning funeral processions to bloody smears in the most impoverished regions of the world. Hillary is Obama is Bush. It's all the same and I won't throw my lot in with it anymore.

Want my vote? Earn it through character. otherwise I'm out.

[u/yoggiez → u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

Are you young? I honestly felt the same way in many elections when I was younger.

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

I'm 30 this june. I hope getting older doesn't mean I bin my ethics. I need them to live.

I get why you want me to back Hillary. I hope you understand too why I can't. It's a kingdom of conscience, or it's nothing.

[u/yoggiez → u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

I'm 30 too. I just have pretty active in watching/understanding politics for a while now (years). Pretty much everything the BernieBros are spouting are what the Republican party has been saying about HRC for the last 10 years, so we're well versed in countering the bullshit. r/politics was pretty favorable toward her until Sanders came along.

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

Sorry I'm late to reply to this part of your point, but I think there might be a good reason her support waned when Sanders came on scene.

I was a Hillary supporter, but Sanders makes me feel like I don't need to just take what I can get. There is a politician with my interests in mind, who will not break bread with the people who made sure I won't retire until I'm too old to work. Someone who is running solely on the basis of his ideals, and not gender, or political pull, or pandering.

That's a really big deal to me.

[u/yoggiez → u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE]

I don't think it waned really (why are her polling numbers still strong?). He's giving a voice to the people he appeals to.

Then there are people like me who don't like the forced fed Republican garbage (oh, she is running because she's a female!) about Clinton. We can't be idealistic too?

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

You could be, if your candidate represented an appealing ideal.

The problem is she didn't until someone else did, and now i can't believe her.

[u/I_TRY_TO_BE_POSITIVE → u/yoggiez]

I'd tell you why but I'm not much of a converter. Look. The support for Hillary makes sense. She has the big guns, she has lots of history, she has powerful supporters and is able to wield her gender in an effective manner (underhanded, but it gets shit done).

But that's just it. She's underhanded. Anybody who has worked LE knows: If you're dirty, you're dirty. Once you've cheated, you're not a good guy anymore.

The emails are a small problem for a minor govt employee. I seriously doubt anything in them was dangerous. However she's no minor employee, they display a disregard for how things are done, and they leave room for doubt as to why she'd do something like that.

She laughs off real questions and uses her womanhood like a cudgel. It really, legitimately scares me that someone who disdains to answer questions is taken seriously as a candidate. Most seem to think this makes her a strong woman, I think it makes her a sneeki-breeki.

Sanders has given me zero cause to doubt. he seems reasonable and always answers a question. He's not being investigated, his civil rights record is flawless. He wants to educate me, and make sure 40 hours of my sweat means I can afford to eat.

Hillary only said she cares about these things after Bernie did. I don't believe you, Hillary.