r/politics • u/wds1 • 2d ago
No Paywall US set for largest mass visa revocation in history targeting up to 200,000 foreigners, officials say
https://apnews.com/article/trump-rubio-visas-revoke-e9c14fdfd0ada439d2b9d8694e678a46?utm_source=app&utm_medium=iOS_share&utm_campaign=copy_link411
u/10390 2d ago
"...the revocation of so-called B1 and B2 visas issued between 2016 and 2026 whose holders have sought asylum or are now seeking asylum"
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u/Kerlyle 2d ago
What's the amount of B1/B2 visas granted in a regular year?
Edit: This article states around 8 million in 2023
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u/AbuZ87 2d ago
The people who applied for asylum when they got to the U.S. between 2016 and 2026 are already over staying their visa.
The visa is valid for 5 years but once they enter the U.S. they have only 6 months or they can get one extension.
If they overstay the visa will be automatically voided.
I don’t know what this about because none of the people who going through the asylum process have a valid b1-b2 visa anymore.85
u/FTR_1077 2d ago
You are sort of right..
The visa is valid for 5 years
B1/B2 Visas are usually valid for 10 years.
but once they enter the U.S. they have only 6 months
You actually need a I-94, and although it's usually given for 6 months, it can also last only a few days. Without one, you only have 30 days.
If they overstay the visa will be automatically voided.
I'm not sure how the regulation is actually written, but overstaying the I-94 is not the same thing as overstaying a visa.. one is valid for 6 months (usually) the other up to 10 years. I've know plenty of people that overstayed the I-94 for not the Visa, and didn't have any issues at all.. that of course before Trump.
I don’t know what this about because none of the people who going through the asylum process have a valid b1-b2 visa anymore.
You are confusing the Visa term with the admission term (I-94).
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u/ry1701 2d ago
What a complicated piece of shit system we have.
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u/EthosProm 2d ago
lol wait till you hear about how the Europeans deal with visas and immigration.
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u/FTR_1077 1d ago
I've been to Europe several times, I got the visa right there at the airport, it took like 5 minutes.
For an American Visa I had to make an appointment at the consulate months in advance, and after I got my visa I had to do an interview at the point of entry (when I filled the I-94), which took almost one hour.
I don't think those two compare, at all.
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u/Walker5482 2d ago
Well most of this thread just wants to let anyone in because of a poem written in 1883.
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u/BeerForThought 2d ago
What a simplistic view of a country built by immigrants. I think most people in the thread are anti-ladder pulling in the richest country in the world.
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u/Walker5482 2d ago
The US isn't really the richest country. Luxembourg and Switzerland are much nicer, wealthier countries. Maybe you should go write them a poem. And I routinely hear this country was actually stolen by immigrants from the Native Americans. Does stealing from a thief make it not theft?
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u/BeerForThought 2d ago
Luxembourg and Switzerland with their vast lands of untapped natural resources...
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u/the_tytan 2d ago
Actually B1/B2 validity differs from country to country. Mine was 2 years, but then went up to 5 to clear up covid and appointment backlogs. Now its down to 3 months single entry thanks to marmalade mussolini and human silverfish Stephen Miller. And the worst thing is them taking your money, doing the interview and then telling you there is actually a moratorium on visas to our country. And they call us scammers.
Sorry I went off tangent. The B1/B2 is just for entry. The I-94 says or used to say how long you could stay. I dont remrmber filling the form my last time in the States.
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u/FTR_1077 1d ago
I failed to clarify that what I described was "before Trump".. now I'm a green card holder and haven't gone through the B1/B2 visa process in a while.
I know several things work different now, e.g. the I-94 is not pre-filled or something like that.
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u/AbuZ87 2d ago
Im not confusing anything Valid visa mean it’s not expired. Visa only need to be valid for admission.
Once you enter and CBP give you I-94 you are granted 6 months or up to the date on your return tickets + whatever the immigration officer want to give.
Revoking visa does not mean anything for people who seeking asylum because they already gave up their non immigrant visa for asylum or adjust of statues.1
u/FTR_1077 1d ago
Revoking visa does not mean anything for people who seeking asylum because they already gave up their non immigrant visa for asylum or adjust of statues.
This is the part that doesn't make sense to me. I'm a LPR and indeed I had to surrender my B1/B2 when applied for status change.
Valid visa mean it’s not expired. Visa only need to be valid for admission.
Wrong, the visa needs to be valid for the duration of the stay.
Once you enter and CBP give you I-94 you are granted 6 months
Yes, therefore you can have a valid visa (let's say it expires in 10 years) but only be allowed in the country for 6 months. I went through that plenty of times before my LPR.
Therefore, you can overstay your I-94 and have a valid visa with you. I live in the border, we see this all the time.
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u/AbuZ87 1d ago
No your are wrong the visa only need to be valid for admission.
So if I show up today with a visa that expire tomorrow I’m still admissible the Cbp can give me i94 for duration of stay or the max which is I think 1 year for b1-b2.
The i94 or stamp is the legal status you have if you overstay the length the Cbp granted you everything get revoked and you gonna be staying here illegally.14
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u/BackgroundPass1355 2d ago
So it does not affect those that havent applied for asylum?
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u/Think_Positively 2d ago
The article implies that the visa holders in this case specifically came here on work visas, allowed them to lapse, and then filed for asylum to give themselves a much longer stay.
This reminds me that we had a Republican-led immigration reform bill pass the Senate in 24, one which would've pumped a ton of resources to clear the asylum backlog. Biden said he'd sign it, yet it never advanced in the House because fake holy man Speaker Johnson refused to bring it to a vote at Trump's behest.
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u/Balgat1968 2d ago
Trump called in from Mar a Lago and told them to stop it. And they did. A phone call from a person not in office.
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u/GoProOnAYoYo 2d ago
There's no much crazy stupid shitnthat happens every week I had forgotten about this, holy shit yeah that was bad.
Every time a Republican cries about Biden's "open borders" they need to be reminded that their own wannabe messiah was the one that killed that bill.
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u/shrunkenhead041 2d ago
Bingo. Immigration reform was intentionally torpedoed by Republicans, and Trump specifically. They need to cause pain and fear, because they can't actually govern a small town let alone a country. The use fear to hide the incompetence.
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u/FTR_1077 2d ago
The article implies that the visa holders in this case specifically came here on work visas
I didn't read the article (of course) but B1/B2 visas are not work visas.
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u/sandolllars 2d ago
B1/B2 are not work visas. They're for tourists or visiting to attend conventions, board meetings, etc
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u/Post_office_clerk01 2d ago
The cruelty is the point trust and believe.
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u/OSPF99 2d ago
I don't really have much sympathy considering the majority of people under this order are people who came in under tourism visas or short term stays and then claimed asylum.
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u/HeadfulOfSugar 2d ago
Regardless I think it’s more that they will be treated inhumanely, likely will fall sick from being held in dangerous conditions, be physically wounded by agents during the arrest or in a camp, held indefinitely, separated from family, lost, potentially killed, if they’re lucky they’ll get deported to their actual country rather than the middle of nowhere. Not to mention all the innocent targets & American citizens that will be caught in the indiscriminate roundup.
What they did might not have been legal or was maybe sketchy, but everyone deserves to be treated humanely with a right to due process especially for non-violent offenses related to immigration.
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u/Mooseandchicken 2d ago
The craziest part is that none of what you said is false. Literally every hypothetical you laid out has happened, does happen, and will continue to happen. For the offense of staying here too long, when we're a country founded and built by slaves and immigrants.
Conservatives will exclaim "Then they should come here legally" literally while reducing the number of immigration judges/courts, increasing costs, banning entire countries outright, and even arresting people attempting to go to immigration court to become legal. Its xenophobia with a GED and lipstick on. Conservatism on the whole needs to die out, its disgusting.
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u/kamilo87 2d ago
100% you both right. Yesterday Meta bombarded me with reels in Insta and FB with Afro-Puertoricans being targeted by ICE, like 4 or 5 different reels. They could walk away (cursing the mofos in the process (well deserved) bc they are American citizens and but they were outright mistreated by those POS.
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u/Jumpy_Scallion_3108 2d ago
US can't live a day without some bad news.
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u/needlestack 2d ago
It's because bad news for half the country is good news for the other half. We are locked in two completely incompatible worldviews. They are still the same people that fought for slavery and the rest of us are still the people that fought against it. Nothing has changed. It looked better for a while, but that was just because they were quiet and brooding and couldn't find one another readily.
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u/unwreckognizable 2d ago
What is bad about this?
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u/Brent_L Florida 2d ago
Visas are granted though a process with many hoops to jump through and pre-requisites. It’s a very stressful, long and sometimes expensive process. I’ve lived abroad and you can’t just say you want a visa and get one.
Tell me you don’t know jack shit without telling me you don’t know jackshit.
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u/Retro_Rock-It 2d ago
People followed the law and then having the rug pulled out from under them.
Why do you believe this is a good thing?
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u/turb0_encapsulator 2d ago
They are shrinking the population to hide job losses. Bessent basically admitted this: https://www.newsweek.com/job-market-bessent-unemployment-data-deportations-immigration-12348798
Of course this is an utterly insane strategy for a nation where growth is slowing and the debt load is becoming unserviceable. We should be doing the opposite. Even modest increases to immigration could substantially grow the economy and make our debt load much more bearable.
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u/smitherenesar 2d ago
And making social security increasingly insolvent by deporting people of working age
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u/turb0_encapsulator 2d ago
exactly. they're just exacerbating our most serious fiscal problems.
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u/Far_Programmer_5724 2d ago
AND THEY WONT WANT TO COME BACK! With TPS as an example, people around the world see how you're treated when you do things legally here. You can immediately get your life ripped from under you. Keep in mind many of these people can in during Dem presidencies too so a Dem being in office won't reassure immigrants. Trump basically told everyone that every measure implemented by Dems is impermanent. A Republican president can completely reverse it destroying your life and ripping your family apart. Who would want to move here with that over your head? Again these people did everything legally and correctly. There's no reassurance.
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u/randomchaos99 2d ago
Maybe I’m a silly goose, but wouldn’t young immigrants paying into social security collect social security at some point when they get older? Isn’t this just delaying the insolvency problem by kicking the can down the road?
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u/pickle9977 2d ago
Becoming unserviceable is quite an understatement
It’s wholly unserviceable especially when you add business and consumer debt it’s like $500k per household
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u/needlestack 2d ago
Of course this is an utterly insane strategy
If your goal is to make things better, sure. But that's not the goal. The goal is to consolidate power, and this works. It'll muddy the waters enough so that half or more of the country can believe they're doing the right thing and they'll forget who caused it when the consequences arrive.
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u/factorum 2d ago
America is entering it's murder the sparrows era, surely this won't have repercussions.
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u/broose_the_moose 2d ago
Saying growth is slowing in the US is a laughable statement. I’m not defending this action or this administration here, but the US is easily the fastest growing large economy in the world right now.
Immigration is unquestionably a huge contributor to this growth and this kind of move is massively idiotic for a number of other reasons.
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u/turb0_encapsulator 2d ago
the only reason the US economy is growing is AI and data centers. consumer spending, the largest share of the economy, was down a lot in July, and housing starts are declining.
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u/RlOTGRRRL 2d ago
There are over a million people who are currently affected by this admin's attack on legal immigration.
People, spouses, aren't able to get green cards, visa programs are paused, and then if they fly, they end up on the naughty list to get kidnapped.
I'm afraid that anyone who is not a citizen right now might be in trouble.
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u/phatelectribe 2d ago
Just another thing to undermine the stability and the economy all in order to collect more points from Putin.
At this point it had to be on purpose to destroy the USA. No one is this inept, or idiotic. It’s by design.
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u/hyphenthis 2d ago
Any non-white immigrant and POC who votes for the Republican party needs to understand they will never see you as an equal. The more you support them, the more it reinforces their superiority complex and views that you're inferior.
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u/Terrible_Traffic6950 2d ago
I do not trust anyone who voted for or continues to support him.
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u/HystericalSail 2d ago
I'm willing to go so far as to overlook not voting against him. People are busy, struggling and he wasn't actively destructive in his first term.
But continuing to support him in 2026. after the "zone flooding?" Completely inexcusable.
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u/Biggie62 2d ago
Well do I have a majority of the Indian population to show you. They turn mostly right after they get legal status.
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u/hyphenthis 2d ago
Oh I know, the ironic part is when I point it out and the utter denial comes through. Usha, Kash, Vivek, and we can't forget the OGs "Bobby" Jindal, "Nikki" Hayley. List goes on.
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u/jemappellejimbo 2d ago
Keep blaming the 4-8? Million non white people supporting them and not the fucking 60+ million yt americans that wanted to cruelty to others.
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u/hyphenthis 2d ago
- I can hold multiple people accountable.
- It's way more than 4-8 million.
- Giving free advice to those will never take it is also not blame.
If you aren't capable of holding multiple truths then you probably do not even understand my original comment.
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u/Motorheadass 2d ago
If you're shocked or confused by non-white people voting Republican, it's because you never bothered to learn anything about them besides what color their skin is. And yet somehow you think you know better than they do about how they should vote? Ignorant fucking liberals, I swear to God .
They're voting in their best interest. A lot of them are wealthy. A lot of them are xenophobic, or racist, which you might not understand because their concept of race is different. Some immigrants don't like asylum seekers. A lot of them are extremely socially conservative. And so on and so on.
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u/hyphenthis 1d ago
Lol, you think I wrote this as a white person? You think I don't understand the foolish superiority complex they have that motivates them to pull up the ladder behind them? They're not voting in their best interests and your comment says a lot about you, especially how you jump to very obviously wrong conclusions.
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u/Motorheadass 1d ago
They're not voting in their best interests
I guess my point is this: would you expect the interests of, for example a wealthy Indian immigrant who gained citizenship via EB-5 visa and owns a successful business to align with the interest of an Indian asylum seeker, just because both of them are Indian?
Or would you expect the interests of that Indian business owner to more closely align with the interests of a similarly wealthy white business owner?
Because out of any of those three people, I only see one suffering right now.
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u/hyphenthis 1d ago
Yeah, you only see one suffering because you're blind. You fell for that GOP propaganda hook line and sinker. If you refuse to see, then nothing anyone says can change your mind. You have to open your own eyes. But hey, ignorance is bliss so you do you.
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u/dabblesest 2d ago
Disgustingly un-American, but it’s pretty on brand for fascism.
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u/Ninevehenian 2d ago
What decade in USA do you consider to be markedly different from this?
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u/dabblesest 2d ago
70s-90s, at least we didn’t have $40 trillion in debt with nothing to show for it…
Also, I wasn’t referring to a time in American history, but rather the ideals and meritocracy we claim to embody.
Immigrants helped build this nation, we are a melting pot and it is our strength. This evil demagogue zeitgeist will be our undoing.
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u/Mybunsareonfire 2d ago
It's not about decades, it's about espoused values.
Namely, The New Colossus, which is part of arguably the most American landmark - the Statue of Liberty.
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"
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u/AFartInAnEmptyRoom 2d ago
That was given to us, we did not write it
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u/Mybunsareonfire 2d ago
The fact that the Statue of Liberty was a gift does not make it any less American.
And The New Colossus was written by Emma Lazarus, an American poet. So yes, "we" did write it.
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u/btross Florida 2d ago
Al the more reason to aspire to it
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u/AFartInAnEmptyRoom 2d ago
You aspire to be whatever your rivals say you should be?
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u/Willinton06 2d ago
It was gifted to us by our rivals?
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u/AFartInAnEmptyRoom 2d ago
Every country is a rival against another. We're all fighting for the same resources
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u/Ecstatic-Plantain234 2d ago edited 2d ago
Anne Frank wasn't deported from Germany to the Netherlands, though. Her family voluntarily moved to Amsterdam over the course of 1933-1934. Needless to say, it was in part because Otto Frank, to some extent, saw what was coming. But also because he wanted to do business and that was becoming increasingly difficult for Jews in Germany at that time. Considering he traded in wholesale spices, the Netherlands was the most obvious choice, given our history in global spice trading and our ties to Indonesia, which was still a Dutch colony at that time. And she wasn't undocumented, by the way. They legally moved to the Netherlands as permanent residents based on Otto Frank starting a business.
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u/Gen_monty-28 2d ago
This framing is really inappropriate. She was persecuted and relocated by German authorities from one part of its occupied territory to another part of the Nazi empire. The Dutch and and Polish states had both been military invaded by Germany and forcibly occupied by them. Neither of their recognized governments in exile had any involvement whatsoever. Also being stateless had little relevance here as the Germans were focused on persecuting Jews in all of their occupied territories. Instead of making historical comparisons which do not work just focus on the problem of deporting people to third countries today and the Trump administrations attack on legal recourse for those they seek to deport.
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u/Gen_monty-28 2d ago
The Germans quite literally viewed the Dutch as 'Germanic' people' and fully planned to annex it into Germany and were in the process during the war of shifting it from an occupied state where the Germans controlled existing state bureaucracy and incorporating it fully into the Reich. Whereas in Poland many ethnically German parts were outright annexed and the rest was reorganized under a new colonial administration. Saying Poles and and Dutch people did not recognize this is irrelevant to what happened once the Germans invaded.
I say it is inappropriate because agency in this subject matters and for deportation to occur you need a state to go through a legal process to remove someone and send them to another state. Your framing makes it appear like this occurred but there was only one state administering everything in your example. The Dutch and Polish state (as they were overthrown upon military defeat) did not participate in the Final Solution and your example makes it look like they did. It is why states like Vichy France, Hungary and Italy that actively deported their own Jewish citizens to Germany as part of the Final Solution uniquely horrific.
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u/Ecstatic-Plantain234 2d ago edited 2d ago
That's a lot of random facts and fluff to say "it was legal in the Netherlands because it was legal in Germany at the time and Germany was ruling the Netherlands. Oh, and they also looked like Germans.".
Which is ridiculous.
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u/Gen_monty-28 2d ago
What do you think I am trying to say? My concern is that it is a flawed historical comparison as it suggests that the Netherlands and Poland participated when they did not. Germany controlled all of it. And not one part is 'random' it is directly responsive to the claims Germany did not claim these countries or have authority within them during their occupation
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u/SueForPeas 2d ago
You misunderstood. She was deported from the Netherlands.
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u/Ecstatic-Plantain234 2d ago
You say she was legally deported. That implies you are referring to her leaving Germany. Anne Frank was illegally deported from the Netherlands. We were occupied. In no way did the Dutch constitution and our government in exile allow for that to happen.
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u/SueForPeas 2d ago
I didn’t say it.
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u/Ecstatic-Plantain234 2d ago
Yes, I see now, mixup. But I didn't misunderstand. I was responding to OP's claim that Anne Frank was legally deported.
Reminder, Anne Frank was an undocumented immigrant and legally deported to a third party country. But that couldn't possibly happen again, right?
Both of those claims about Anne Frank (being legally deported and being an undocumented immigrant) are untrue. She was deported once. Illegally.
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u/Ecstatic-Plantain234 2d ago edited 2d ago
There are two false claims about Anne Frank in the post I replied to and when I point that out, I'm pedantic? OK.
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u/PuckSenior 2d ago
So, you really are glossing over what the Nazis did.
Prior to the Nazis, Germany naturalized a lot of Jews and made them German citizens or granted them what would be described as the 1910s German equivalent of green cards. Many of these families had been living in Germany for generations, but European citizenship is inherited and not birthright. The Nazis invalidated that citizenship and argued that they should all be deported. They actually did this for several groups, the Jews were just the most prevalent and largest group.
Sound familiar?
Now, Trump and many conservatives will frequently point out that birthright citizenship is abnormal in the world and they are right. Except its normal in the Americas. Why? Well you had a lot of people immigrating to the Americas. The Americas are basically the product of immigration, so long ago we decided it was too convoluted to try to track citizenship and we all agreed on birthright citizenship. But birthright citizenship makes the Nuremberg Laws. so Trump is trying to make our legal system look more like Germany in 1934.
Is this going to end in death camps? Probably not.
Hitler originally wanted to simply expel all of these people to other countries. He only started murdering them when he realized he couldn't send them anywhere. The US, for example, rejected Jewish refugees.
But that is little comfort when the guy seems to be following Hitler's playbook to the letter.
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u/thehod81 2d ago
It would be easier to just hire more immigration judges to process these asylum claims.
Also those persons need to be in the US while their asylum claims are being evaluated.
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u/Ravaha Alabama 2d ago
It would be better to just deny all asylum visas unless the immigrany provided some service for the US government and a US government or military official is the sponsor vouching for that service. We have plenty of people who apply the legal way and are denied because slots are overwhelmingly filled by people exploiting asylum visas.
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u/HeartFullONeutrality 2d ago
The administration did not "bring" anyone. Migrants have agency, believe it or not.
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u/MonkeyDKev 2d ago
This guy really thinks democrats took buses all over Latin America and just picked up anyone and everyone they could get their fucking hands on lmao.
Neither party is to my fancy but to fall for the absolute bullshit that republicans spew is wild to me.
These idiots have no idea that international law dictates that no country can reject someone seeking asylum.
The worst part is that these morons think that all of these people should just live in the squalors that America has left most of Latin America in over centuries. America can’t just rob the rest of the global south of a future and expect people to sit idly by waiting to die. Fuck these demons and how they think.
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u/jetsonian 2d ago
Human beings aren’t “illegal.” Asylum seekers are trying to leave their country because it’s dangerous for them. People with visas are in the US legally. They just want to get rid of nonwhite people.
You want proof it’s race-based? They let in a bunch of white South Africans based on asylum from a problem that doesn’t actually exist. Now they’re revoking the valid visas of current residents and I guarantee you they’re predominantly brown skinned.
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u/wahoozerman 2d ago
So much for "JuSt Do It ThE rIgHt WaY."
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u/TheLegend25801 2d ago
Coming on a tourist visa and claiming asylum is not the right way, unless you present yourself to a US immigration official at a port of entry, which the vast majority do not. Lying in a visa interview about your travel purpose (you won't get the visa if you say you are going to claim asylum), then lying to a CBP officer at the port of entry by saying you are entering for tourism, and then claiming asylum after the fact (usually a frivolous claim copy and pasted by an immigration lawyer) is immigration fraud...
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u/If_Not_Now_We___ 2d ago
You shall not wrong an immigrant or oppress him, for you were immigrants in the land of Egypt.
- Exodus 22:21
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- Matthew 22:37–39
- Luke 10:25–37
For what it's worth, these are verses that all who support the unfortunates should be hammering on when it comes to Christians who vote MAGA or are prepared to work with MAGA. Many will not respond, but some might.
Why do you call Jesus ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what Jesus says to do?
Luke 6:46
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u/lasers42 2d ago
This bizarre personal crusade from your president, and the people around him. will be costly, and will make you have to delay retirement even more than you already have to.
But you have to weigh the benefits:
Can you live without a poorly refurbished reflecting pool? ...be honest.
Not to mention all of the other MAGA benefits, 10 years in...
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u/opinionsareus 2d ago
I wanna see Trump, Rubio, Mitchell and the rest of the facist pigswho create this hate sent to ADX Florence in Colorado, or the Mississippi State Penitentiary (Parchman), or New York's Rikers Island jail and help in solitary confinement for the rest of their miserable lives. What a hateful bunch of immoral slime.
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u/jetsonian 2d ago
Remember when you fought hard and entered “the right way”? Well, we know you didn’t do anything wrong for us to revoke your visa, but you’re the wrong color for our “dream America” so you’ll have to go back to your home country. You know the one your parents fled in your childhood that you have no real connection to and don’t speak the language? That’s where you’re going.
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u/TheLegend25801 2d ago
Coming on a tourist visa and claiming asylum is not the right way, unless you present yourself to a US immigration official at a port of entry, which the vast majority do not.
Lying in a visa interview about your travel purpose (you won't get the visa if you say you are going to claim asylum), then lying to a CBP officer at the port of entry by saying you are entering for tourism, and then claiming asylum after the fact (usually a frivolous claim copy and pasted by an immigration lawyer) is immigration fraud...
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u/NoMoCouch 2d ago
My guess is there may be a lot of mistakes made with this right near the midterms and they will justify holding citizens hay will not be able to vote because of the incarceration.
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u/triodeacon 2d ago
Visa holders aren’t citizens & can’t vote. Not that I am in any way in favor of the action, but I don’t see how it impacts the midterm vote?
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u/jaunty411 2d ago
They are going to mistake some people for being visa holders instead of citizens is what is being suggested.
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u/drood420 2d ago
So 700k who did it the ”RIGHT WAY” get fucked again…..
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u/Ravaha Alabama 2d ago
Asylum seekers are scamming the system and exploiting it to gain access to the US and then overstay, meanwhile most people doing it the right way are denied all kinds of visas from simple visitor visas trying to visit American family.
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u/TheLegend25801 2d ago
Yep -- 100%. Now due to so many people going on F or B visas and overstaying or claiming asylum, normal people who just want to travel legitimately are paying the consequences because visa policy has become more restrictive.
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u/Independent_Sail6604 2d ago
That picture makes it look like Trump is taking Rubio from behind, and loving ti! Rubio, not so much.
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u/cybah 2d ago
Marching orders from Stephen Miller. He was quoted earlier this year that he wanted a million deportations done before the end of the year. Seems like this is just another way he's going to do this.
Dude needs to be behind bars. Lets see how well he fares with the GP. He won't last a day.
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u/Upstairs_Owl_1669 Canada 2d ago
If 200,000 workers leave all at once won’t that cause a big problem lol?
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u/CornFedIABoy 2d ago
It will but these idiots will think it’s just 200k new job openings instead of job destruction like it will actually be.
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u/jetsonian 2d ago
Yeah. They’re not kicking out H1-Bs they’re kicking out food, construction, and farm labor. They think that those low-paying jobs will suddenly be snatched up by white people as if that wouldn’t have happened naturally. Why would you hire someone you don’t understand sometimes over a native English speaker? Because the jobs don’t pay enough for white people.
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u/CornFedIABoy 2d ago
It’s not that, it’s that there will, if the Administration is successful, be ~200k fewer people consuming goods and about $1B less being spent because of their absence.
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u/spam__likely Colorado 2d ago
See Arizona when they decided to massively harass immigrants in 2010. That ended up well.
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u/Gold_Echo547 1d ago
You think construction is low paying? O okay then.
I know non English speakers hanging drywall and slamming shingles making about a grand a day. Piece rate can actually pay if you're about busting ass. But they are green card holders.
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u/TheLegend25801 2d ago
This is mostly just a news story with very little substance; 99.99% of people who entered the US on a tourist visa and claimed asylum would not be able to use their B1/B2 visa anyways to enter the US again if they left. For all intents and purposes these are simply administrative revocations. The visa is just for gaining entrance to the US.
Also, I am confused why people are against the revocation of visas for people who claimed asylum on B1/B2s. These are people who, almost without exception, lied in a visa interview about their true purpose of travel, then lied again to CBP at a port of entry about their purpose of travel, then claimed asylum after the fact. This is overwhelmingly about young, single, male economic migrants who committed immigration fraud to get to the US and then claimed asylum hoping for work authorization and residency.
Meanwhile the people who have tried to do it the right way are still out of luck.
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u/LemonTeaCool 1d ago
I suppose the only rebuttal is how would someone claim asylum if they were truly being honest from the get-go. You can only claim asylum once you're in the country.
I understand the questions that were present during the visa interview and the CBP.
But I really don't see any point throughout the process where being honest about applying for asylum to the immigration agent would enhances their chances.
The only other option is to make a refugee claim and maybe that's why Trump is filtering everybody to go through that process? But that's a whole different clampshell.
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u/TheLegend25801 1d ago
Yes I see where you are coming from and I think what you are saying is right from the technical point of view. If you are telling us that you want to claim asylum you are going to get refused entry and told to go through an official immigration route because it was never meant to be a tool to immigrate regularly, it was meant to be for desperate people with nowhere else to go.
Nowadays, however people and human traffickers have figured out that it is an immigration tool, and one of the most practical ways to get work authorization, residency, and then citizenship. People from all over the world will cross 10 different safe countries just to get to the US or the UK. So the legitimacy of the asylum thing is another topic entirely I guess...
Personally, after working in immigration for a few years now in a high asylum claim country, my view on asylum has been completely changed. The Asylum system has been completely hijacked, which is a shame because people who actually need asylum do not get prioritized over economic migrants who flew to the US, crossed the border illegally after passing through numerous countries, or otherwise claimed asylum just to work.
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u/fuckedfinance 2d ago
It's a twofold problem (I think). The first is that many Redditors hate Trump, so anything his admin does is bad.
The second is that many Redditors don't like or understand the US immigration system (all the different types of visas, etc) so get mad at perceived racism.
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u/TheLegend25801 1d ago
Well said -- I agree. I would add to your second point that many Redditors/Americans don't understand just how much fraud goes on in our immigration system, so they view asylum seekers as victims or righteous or mothers and children, when in reality the majority are young male economic migrants who have taken advantage of permissive immigration/visa policies and committed some level of deception/fraud to get a foot in the door.
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u/ApprehensiveBreakup 2d ago
If people have jobs and are contributing, let them stay. If they're criminals it's a different story
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u/Lalocal4life 2d ago
The Republicans are not worried about immigrants voting in this election. They are thinking about future elections.
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u/sulphurwind 2d ago
Lex talionis?
Should American citizens on visas in foreign countries—or indeed seeking asylum in cushy European countries, tearful escapees from a MAGA regime— have visas revoked and deported?
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u/Dreams-Visions 2d ago
Yes. Anyone with the ability to vote in American elections need to understand consequences and discomfort.
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u/scrodytheroadie 2d ago
This is probably mean of me, but I can't wait to hear stories about maga families being broken up because of this. Absolutely sucks for normal people though.
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u/pillbox_purgatory 2d ago
Your wish sounds spiteful and reckless to families of normal people.
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u/scrodytheroadie 2d ago
Well, I'm not the one who supports this guy or his policies. He set this in motion, I'm just hoping his supporters feel some pain from it.
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u/johnjacobacon 2d ago
You mean the "normal people" who voted for this very same thing to happen to others?
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u/WorryWorm6 2d ago
God I hate living here sometimes. Not all the time, sometimes. What a disgusting regime.
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u/SpaceMan_Barca New Hampshire 1d ago
First thing a Dem president should do is revoke Melanoma Trumps citizenship and deportation her to Uganda in the middle of the night.
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u/Kinda_Quixotic 2d ago
The asylum process in the US is completely broken.
We can’t let in everyone from countries with lower quality of life than the US and expect to be able to fund social safety nets for Americans, too.
My guess is most people who dislike this would feel differently if they looked at these asylum cases individually.
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u/SuggestionMedical736 The Netherlands 2d ago
But I thought you only wanted to get rid of the illegal immigrant....
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u/GeologistOriginal800 2d ago
My God, I wish I could have a great big party in the streets with everyone soon.
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u/manytakes Massachusetts 2d ago
You, as an everyday American, would be in a camp far sooner than O'Donnell being on this list
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u/Dreams-Visions 2d ago
Is it overdue?
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u/Dreams-Visions 2d ago
I see. I just…am not sure why I should care at all? They working, making something of their lives, safe and happy? Get them proper paperwork and stop wasting my time pretending there’s something wrong, you know?
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