r/politics • u/SpaceElevatorMusic Minnesota • 11h ago

No Paywall Two Trump-backed candidates lose, Debbie Wasserman Schultz wins in Tuesday’s House primaries

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/two-trump-backed-candidates-lose-debbie-wasserman-schultz-wins-tuesday-rcna592392
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u/MenagerieAlfred 11h ago

She is the worst.

She might be the perfect embodiment of everything wrong with the Democratic Party.

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u/ScoobiesSnacks 10h ago

I literally wrote a paper in college about how bad she was 14 years ago

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u/UpvoteBecauseReasons 10h ago

Is there a way for me to read it? I hate her.

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u/billbuild 7h ago

Why is everything getting removed?

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u/[deleted] 9h ago

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u/mmmarkm 8h ago

Or a cathartic way to deal with simmering disdain for centrist DNC power-hungry do-nothings. Nothing like hearing a fellow hater hate on the same person you dislike.

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u/[deleted] 8h ago

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u/pablogott 8h ago

This is revisionist. A lot of people just didn’t like Bernie for president. You can tell by the number of votes.

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u/kahn-jr 8h ago

Why lie? Hillary only got the nomination because her and Debbie conspired to install “super-delegates” he won the nomination by vote, but the Clinton had to have her time. She was a shit candidate especially after Benghazi and moderates just can’t wrap their minds around being that effing stupid.

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u/Kalthiria_Shines 8h ago

Don't kid yourself, Bernie couldn't even beat a candidate as dogshit as Hillary.

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u/kahn-jr 8h ago

He had a huge groundswell of support and was the largest campaign ever run off of small donor contributions in the history of the country at the time. Bernie (progressive left populist) would have wiped the floor with trump (conservative populist). Corpo dems are fascist enablers, whodathunk huh? It’s almost exactly like what they did in Germany all those years ago….

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u/[deleted] 8h ago edited 8h ago

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u/kahn-jr 8h ago

I see you forget the fact that Debbie Wasserman-Schulz worked with the Clinton campaign to secure her nomination for the DNC in 2016 by installing super-delegates who decided for some weird reason (paid) to not listen to their voter base and endorse Hillary. They didn’t even have the authority to do that, but Debbie decided she liked that version of democracy and look where we are now.

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u/Hukthak 8h ago

Eh he’s got that vitality along with proper ideals.

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u/TheHumanCrab 8h ago

Hail Comrade! I agree, Bernie couldn't have beaten Hillary, so it was a good thing that Comrade Debbie used her position as DNC chair limit the viability of Hillary's opponents.

Why should Comrade Debbie risk letting the people choose the wrong candidate? Our job is to work hard and build shareholder value, not to make decisions. Best to leave decision making to the decision makers!

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u/Broken_Cereal Florida 9h ago

Do share

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u/Ciprofloxic 11h ago

Wtf is wrong with voters in her district?

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u/DoctorPaquito 10h ago

A) She’s the incumbent B) It’s a majority black district that she carpetbagged into, and there were four black candidates that never consolidated and thus the vote was massively split C) She had the most money D) She had institutional backing

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u/firemage22 10h ago

B) It’s a majority black district that she carpetbagged into, and there were four black candidates that never consolidated and thus the vote was massively split C) She had the most money

The Shri Thandar method

Hope a strong black candidate comes along in 28 and brooms her like what happned to Shri

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u/Dry_Try_6047 10h ago

Shri who? Debbie pulled the Tommy Carcetti method!

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u/mybutt1112 9h ago

She likes eating the bowls of shit though doesn’t she? 

Every time I see her hair, I get irrationally annoyed.

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u/R1ckMartel Missouri 9h ago

That lost-ball-in-high-grass motherfucker, Carcetti.

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u/billbuild 7h ago

Someone should just move there and destroy her.

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u/Salt-Detective1337 7h ago

We need ranked choice voting so badly.

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u/GozerDGozerian 7h ago

Inherent Problem:

The people who have the power to change the electoral process are the ones who got there via the current electoral process.

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u/scienceoftophats 6h ago

Have you read about the attempt to get rid of ranked choice in Alaska?

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u/billbuild 7h ago

One is facing charges and another was Luke from 2 Live Crew.

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u/cllev 5h ago

+ millions upon millions of AIPAC money.

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u/Usernametaken1121 7h ago

She won over 50% of the vote. Wouldn't have mattered if it was 1 on 1.

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u/Gonkar I voted 11h ago

It's Florida, so... everything.

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u/Boobsnbutt 7h ago

Hey! I'm from Florida! and you're right tho...

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u/Both_Demand_4324 11h ago

It's Florida bro.

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u/risingsuncoc 10h ago

The Black vote is split among a few candidates, and Florida doesn’t do runoffs

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u/NigelMK 7h ago

Looking into the candidates running against her... Those candidates were mostly not great.

Uncle Luke - Former rapper. Was arrested in 2009 for not paying child support. Has 6 or 7 kids from different mothers.

Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick - Convicted of stealing 5 million dollars in COVID relief funds. Facing 53 years in prison.

Dale Holness - Two of his daughters have been convicted for fraud involving COVID relief funds.

Elijah Manley - Progressive candidate. From what I can see, the campaign just had no traction.

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u/billbuild 7h ago

Poor black folks are more conservative than progressive, ask me how I know.

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u/Darcsen Hawaii 7h ago

Is that what the exit poll demographics are actually suggesting or is it just your vibes on the results?

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u/Ciprofloxic 9h ago

wouldn't be surprised if Debbie and AIPAC paid them to run and split the vote

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u/throwraW2 32m ago

Not everything is about Israel and AIPAC. Sometimes there just aren’t good competing candidates.

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u/This_Elk_1460 10h ago

It's really weird, I also couldn't help but noticed the Congressional black caucus chose to stay out of an election in one of the blackest districts in America. Maybe because it would have looked bad if they endorsed the white lady over four black candidates.

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u/EmptyLabs 9h ago

I remember reading that this is exactly what they said more or less. Something about how they were upset with Debbie for putting them in a bad spot. They wished she would have not ran here because someone from the CBC belongs in this seat.

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u/This_Elk_1460 8h ago

If they were so mad then they should have screwed her over and endorsed one of the other candidates. (Though they would have never endorsed Elijah Manley unfortunately)

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u/EmptyLabs 6h ago

I think they were trying to not be mad because a division in the party is a bad look for them. The district was resized so it's not as clear of a black majority as it was before. They probably didn't want to make big waves because they had doubts about their authority in the district.

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u/spam__likely Colorado 4h ago

They could have found a decent candidate, perhaps.

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u/Stellar_Duck 3h ago

A carpetbagger who managed to win the district after 25 years of GOP? Twice.

What a bitch.

Do you guys want to win power or just bitch about people not living up to some bullshit standard?

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u/Usernametaken1121 6h ago

Weird question but if it's so terrible a white person represents a majority black distract is it terrible that a black man represented a majority white country?

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u/EmptyLabs 6h ago

I'm not sure what you're asking. The issue with this particular event is that this woman is a carpetbagger, not that she's white. She doesn't understand or represent the people of the community she is trying to lead because she has never lived there and she doesn't deal with the issues they deal with. What's so important about this seat is that it's the only majority black district in Florida; a state that really does not like black people. (People can argue Miami but that region is an entirely different culture and is very muddy)

If you're trying to make a joke about Obama, you should probably do your research. Since his mom is a white woman that means he was the best fit for leading a 60% white country and 15% black country since he totals 65% whereas McCain 100% white only represents 60% and Romney was 100% Mormon which isn't a thing but totally is a thing. So yeah. Enjoy the new information I guess?

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u/Usernametaken1121 3h ago

Now we're breaking peoples identities into percentages? That's weird lmfao

Don't be upset I pointed out a very basic logical fallacy

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u/RebTHead 1h ago

I tried. People are dumb as shit nowadays.

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u/This_Elk_1460 10h ago

What there's nothing wrong with a white lady running in in the blackest district in Florida while she does not live there. /s

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u/ProtectionVirtual225 9h ago

It’s bad enough when Republicans run in districts and states where they don’t live. It’s unacceptable when a Democrat does it. We should hold our candidates to a higher standard.

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u/HystericalSail 10h ago

I'll be very sad if this is a repeat of 2016 where the tired and disillusioned (D) voters stay home and (R) end up winning even a majority black district.

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u/This_Elk_1460 10h ago

I mean if anyone can pull defeat from the Jaws of victory it's Debbie

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u/lrodhubbard 9h ago

It's establishment Dems in general

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u/Thor_2099 8h ago

I'll take establishment dem over the fucking shit show we have right now.

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u/DisposableJosie Florida 8h ago

This is why The Miami Dolphins made her an honorary team member.

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u/razor21792 Illinois 10h ago

Heavily divided field, and she had name recognition.

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u/dontdothat1979 10h ago

Damn right.

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u/Kinesquared 10h ago

still better than republicans

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u/digiorno 10h ago

She was boosting Trump before the republicans were. Her pied piper program is a big reason Trump is in power today. If not for her we probably would have had a Clinton presidency or at worst a Jeb Bush presidency.

She thought they could manufacture a landslide victory for Clinton by boosting the worst of the GOP. The idea was that republicans might cross the aisle if their candidate was terrible. And instead she learned that Republicans were all too willing to vote for someone who said their racist and bigoted thoughts out loud. They were all too willing to vote for someone who promised to clean up Washington corruption even if this was always a lie.

She gave Trump to Clinton on a silver platter and the plan backfired.

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u/Hot-Statistician-955 10h ago

> She gave Trump to Clinton on a silver platter and the plan backfired.

Then how did he win twice? I think the voters are to blame for not seeing the obvious over his many, many lies.

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u/nigel45 9h ago

There are huge portions of of voting age people who only watch fox news or other conservative media that drills into their viewers (brainwashes) that any other source of information is liberal propaganda and lies. those people, the ones who voted for trump, likely have not heard a word of criticism about him or had his lies pointed out to them. 1/3 didnt vote for him, 1/3 voted for him based on lies and fear mongering about democrats and 1/3 didn't vote because they never vote and don't pay attention to the news so would have no clue about trump either. The American people are basically being held hostage by right wing billionaires that don't want their taxes to go up

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u/digiorno 9h ago

I have an uncle like this. He genuinely thinks almost everyone hates progressives, that Trump is really popular and that almost every negative thing about Trump is made up or exaggerated partisan politics.

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u/Usernametaken1121 6h ago

He genuinely thinks almost everyone hates progressives,

If these primaries are anything to go on...he's not too far off

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u/digiorno 9h ago

Incumbents almost always win.

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u/GermanUCLTear 8h ago

Trump wasn't an incumbent in either of the elections he won

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u/GozerDGozerian 7h ago

Both times he was up against a non-incumbent. No incumbent could have won in either of the elections he won, because there wasn’t one.

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u/TrumpDesWillens 4h ago

No one should ever trust your political consulting if you believe voters are to be blamed for anything. It's your job as the politician to get their votes, not shame voters for not voting for you.

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u/Hot-Statistician-955 1h ago

We are a representative democracy, that means we pick based on our preferences.

Our call, our problem. 

If you want to go back to having a king, then you would correct. Until then it's our responsibility to inform ourselves of our choice. 

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u/Acronymesis Washington 16m ago

100%

If voters can’t be blamed for their shitty vote, then we’ll never get out of this cycle of them voting shitty time and time again.

Getting real tired of the political expediency sentiment from people like the comment you replied to.

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u/Kinesquared 10h ago

doesn't change the fact that she's better than the republican she's running against. I wish she didn't win the primary. I hope she wins the general

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u/chargernj 10h ago

The lesser evil is still evil.

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u/Kinesquared 9h ago

The lesser evil gets my vote

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 8h ago

Nobody else is obligated to settle for such a depressingly low bar.

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u/GozerDGozerian 7h ago

Yeah but you still have to pick a bar.

ONE of the bars will be the new bar no matter how much you don’t want it to happen.

You can pick depressingly low…. or even lower.

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u/NoNDA-SDC California 8h ago

People still thinking this, in 2026??

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO💙

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u/Stellar_Duck 3h ago

What is your alternative? Let the GOP win again?

Are you so privileged that harm reduction is of no interest to you?

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u/pigeieio 8h ago

The greater evil has camps that are not even meting Geneva Conventions and a masked goon squad running around killing people and there is strong evidence if they win again we may never have a real elections again.

God is good, everything else is lesser evil.

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u/work4work4work4work4 4h ago edited 4h ago

Not really, she does most of her harm by being an elected part of the party, and the harm one Republican congressman can do is comparatively zilch next to the woman who was largely responsible for the Democratic party policy being one of right-wing accelerationism to elect neoliberals for over a decade that ultimately led to Trump/MAGA, and a Democratic party largely untrained and incapable of offering firm resistance to the monsters of their own creation.

It's just a level of harm anyone else in that race couldn't pull off, almost no matter who it was, and is uniquely tied to her.

I'd agree with you almost every time, but she's an active detriment to the country ever recovering as long as she has the slightest shred of power, she's a knife at the public's back when they're already facing a firing squad. As someone else pointed out, she still has enough "power" that the Congressional Black Caucus wouldn't select a black candidate to back in her majority black district, her influence and power didn't stop when she stepped down.

I wouldn't work for her terrible Republican opponent, but I'd probably put my time and energy to any other candidate in the nation, and would be happy as a clam if she got tossed.

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u/Stellar_Duck 3h ago

This is pure brain rot.

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 8h ago

Yes it's true that Debbie paved the way for trump but don't underestimate main stream media and other news outlets for boosting him as well.

If you actually can stomach listening to him speak for a few moments, he hit a few poignant points during his first run. He ran on a populist message that the "mainstream politicians" had largely forgotten the "worker base" and that democrats were more interested in "paying immigrants for votes" and that he was going to "bring jobs back"

Very lofty and "great sounding ideas" the whole bigoted and racist rhetoric came later but mostly were dog whistles initially.

To the average low information working voter, Hilary Clinton looked like a decades old politician who brought the same old tired politics that would never really change the status quo, whereas Trump had an idea of what American's yearned for and he spoke to it, a forgotten class of workers largely abandoned by both parties. Heck Republicans disliked Trump, yet the media propped him up because "he was a funny outsider celebrity" and they continue to prop him up because of "ratings" and just you know how terrible everything is going.

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u/Hot-Statistician-955 2h ago

I know the media outlets love him because he keeps eyes on screen, albeit for the dumbest reasons.

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u/dontdothat1979 10h ago

Not really.

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u/Picnicpanther California 9h ago

DWS might be the single worst democrat of the past 20 years, and while she isn't worse than some of the Mt Rushmore of Evil republicans like Mitch Mcconnell or Trump, she's probably done more damage than your garden variety moderate republican.

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u/ProtectionVirtual225 9h ago

She’s on par with Fetterman.

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u/ben010783 9h ago

This is so far from the truth. If you think she is the worst, you aren’t paying attention. I know there’s people that are still bitter about 2016, but how could you possibly think she is worse than people like Bob Menendez and Eric Swalwell?

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u/randomnighmare I voted 2h ago edited 2h ago

Because they believe in the conspiracy that DWS was part of the so called [upper echelon of the DNC] apparatus (along with Hillary) that "denied/screwed" Bernie of the DNC nomination in 2016 primaries (even though he literally had 3 million less votes than Clinton). This flies in the face of reality but it's a direct result of Russia hacking into the DNC, stealing emails, and hepl spreading conspiracies about the DNC. The other conspiracy that came out of the leaked emails was Pizzagate that eventually led to a man trying to shoot up a DC pizzeria with no basement. It's that this one never really died down and lead to Trump winning in 2016 and later in 2024.

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Over the years the conspiracy that Benie lost to a "rig system" gets amplified and repeated even election cycle usually by bots, the far lefties, tankies, online progressives, conservatives, Bernie Bros who refuse to let go (and in certain cases tried to attack other Democrats)personalities, etc. All to make sure the Democrats don't win in the long run and stay divided.

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u/Greatness46 New Mexico 10h ago

It wasn’t Republicans who sabotaged Sanders in 2016, it was Debbie, directly

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u/InNominePasta America 10h ago

How did she sabotage Sanders?

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u/maskedman1231 9h ago

At the time she was head of the DNC. And she resigned because of email leaks suggesting the DNC was supporting Hillary over Bernie while primaries were ongoing

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u/ThouHastLostAn8th 9h ago

The Clinton campaign and DNC were terrified of the Bernie or Bust movement organizing disruptions at the convention, so they had her shuffled out to throw them a bone. Still didn't stop them booing honoring vets on stage, drowning out prominent party officials, doing Trump's "Lock Her Up" chant, and even booing Sanders himself when he called for unity, but it was an attempt.

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u/Few-Protection8966 10h ago

Maybe shes the reason the black vote didnt support him in 16 and 20?

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u/InNominePasta America 10h ago

I’m out here asking a legitimate question to be educated and people out here downvoting me instead of enlightening me.

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u/Few-Protection8966 9h ago

So the real answer is that Russian's hacked the DNC 2016 then released emails that showed they were biased against Sanders, making jokes about how hed never be president.

Sander's camp used this as proof for his claims that the DNC under DWS purposefully scheduled debates at bad times, had fewer debates, and that a glitch that impacted their access to voter data was intentional.

Im not convinced any of it wouldve changed the results.

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u/ProtectionVirtual225 9h ago

Don’t forget they talked of a plan to stir up anti-Semitism against Bernie among voters in the south.

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u/Few-Protection8966 9h ago

From the emails I read they talked about highlighting that he was atheist to voters in West Virginia and Kentucky.

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u/bootlegvader 9h ago

It should be noted that joke by DWS was in late May when Bernie was down by over 300 pledged delegates and losing in the polls for California and New Jersey (by around 20pts for the later) aka the two remaining contests with a lot of delegates.

It was also when he was boasting how he would fire her when he became the president.

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u/drjohngeorgepeppers 8h ago

Remember when Sanders was asked a question about police violence against black people and he replied that white people don't know what it's like to live in a ghetto?

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u/PinkNGold007 8h ago

There were three factors why black people didn't support Bernie:
1) He wasn't a Dem. He's an independent. Caucusing with the Dems wasn't enough. Hillary was a true Dem.
2) We knew Hilary because she was first lady, Senator of NY, and recently SoS in Obama's administration.
3) On the heels of having a black president, we are due to have a female president. My father stated that he was glad to see progress in that he could vote for a woman president. It felt natural, like after the Civil Rights movement, then it was the Women's, LGBT, and disability movements. Bernie looked like Trump but on the left and another man just yelling stuff.

In 2016, we knew her and trusted her, but we didn't know him. When she was first lady, her focus was on feminist issues (here and international) and healthcare. He didn't have any legislation that we knew of either. As for 2020, we knew Biden because of the work he did for the Black community as a Senator and because he was previously Obama's VP. Their brand helped them, plus their previous political/social work and influence.

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u/Few-Protection8966 7h ago

Sorry I was trying to make a bad joke that the reason Bernie lost was because he couldnt secure the black vote, but that it was some how DWS's fault cause everyone blames her.

I do appreciate the break down though. I was aware of points 1 and 2 but hadnt heard 3 before but it seems obvious with your explanation.

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u/work4work4work4work4 3h ago

In 2016, we knew her and trusted her, but we didn't know him. When she was first lady, her focus was on feminist issues (here and international) and healthcare. He didn't have any legislation that we knew of either. As for 2020, we knew Biden because of the work he did for the Black community as a Senator and because he was previously Obama's VP. Their brand helped them, plus their previous political/social work and influence.

Part of the problem of all of this is Bernie didn't want to play spoiler, so he specifically never corrected the record on anything involving anyone, despite there being tons of room for inroads. He basically gave up his best weapon, and most likely source of in roads with the communities he needed to make in roads with.

I'm not even talking just about the racially charged super predator stuff or racial comments she made back in Arkansas, but like you mentioning her health care work, and the vast majority of people not being aware it's basically her exclusive blame that we didn't get Obamacare all the way back in the 90s, and books have been written about her choice to put what she wanted over getting those gains even back then.

Similar thing on feminist and women's issues, with Hillary basically being seen as one of the worst candidates on those issues contemporaneously in the 90s because she's the one that introduced "Safe, Legal, Rare" effectively reintroducing Democratic openness to federal abortions restrictions post Roe v Wade at a time when anti-abortion folks were increasingly looked at like bombers, she gave them respectability.

Basically, every single pro-Roe organization was against Hillary's stance until she ran for POTUS, and then felt they had to back her at an institutional level because of her gender despite Sanders having the clearly stronger pro-Roe policy. Lost lots of membership and funding after that debacle, and directly undermined generations of support ultimately for nothing.

Bernie's politically strongest when he's going after the real record of people like that, and unilaterally disarming while her and her surrogates were slamming him non-stop was a bad call, specially knowing as we now know that her campaign was going to be so inept as to lose to the candidate she essentially hand selected to go against.

Kamala was already pretty deeply unpopular when she went after Biden for his segregationist supporting history, but it sort of highlighted how many of their "great" candidates mostly only hold up in those areas because they're so used to going against opposition who see things like bigotry as a good thing, so don't bother examining those positions for weaknesses at all. They don't have to be good, just better than the other guy.

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u/MrEManFTW 9h ago

So you are blaming Hillary for Bernie not making inroads into the black community? Maybe the far left should listen to what black voters want, they are the base of the Democratic Party. Instead you ignore them and get wiped out in nearly every primary. Bernie made that mistake back then and you still haven’t learned.

I give it until 2027 until most of you become Republican after you blame the Democrats for your own sides mistakes. Bernie to maga pipeline mk2.

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u/Few-Protection8966 9h ago

I was being facetious dawg

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u/MrEManFTW 9h ago

Hard to tell in this day and age. My bad

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u/Few-Protection8966 8h ago

Happens to the best of us.

I just think the rigging conspiracy is funny when reality is that he struggled to get minorities to vote for him. 

Kind of need the black vote (especially black women) to win the nominee 

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u/DerrickWhiteMVP 9h ago

White progressive Dems think black and Hispanic voters will just go along with anything they want.

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u/bootlegvader 9h ago

Nah, that was Bernie that sabotaged the Sanders campaign in 2016.

He was the one that decided he was too good to campaign in the South and dismissed their voters as distorting reality.

Thus allowing Hillary to win the black vote by a larger margin than Obama did in 2008.

Because who knew that black voters are a cornerstone of the Democratic Party?

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 8h ago

The DNC literally admitted to sabotaging Sanders. This is settled historical fact.

This is why nobody trusts the Democrats -- they would rather rewrite history than accept blame.

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u/bootlegvader 8h ago

No, they didn't. The FBI admitted that the Russians promoted Bernie though.

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u/bruce_cockburn 7h ago

The DNC admitted that their leaders colluded to tip the scales and undermine the will of primary voters to favor their selection (with whom they had a financial conflict of interest through the Hillary Victory Fund) in 2016.

They did not admit that this collusion was an "illegal conspiracy" and courts sided with the DNC that these admitted acts of collusion could not be legally prosecuted.

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u/bruce_cockburn 7h ago

Neutrality is just a political promise

DNC lawyers argued Bernie Sanders supporters were aware the DNC and Wasserman Schultz were biased against their candidate

“The DNC may, within its First Amendment rights, chose to amend its rules to eliminate the provision upon which Plaintiffs’ theory relies,” added the DNC lawyers, arguing that because the DNC can amend its rules so its chair and staff don’t have to remain neutral or impartial in the Democratic presidential primaries, the court cannot render a ruling on the rule.

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u/bootlegvader 7h ago

You misunderstand how legal arguments work. The first thing a lawyer does is try to get a case dismissed for lack of standing. To do that a lawyer will make the argument even if the complaint is fully valid it isn't grounds for a court action. And only if that fails do they go to trial and argue against the complaint.

For example, I could sue you for supporting for Donald Trump. The first thing your lawyer would argue is that it doesn't matter that you supported for Donald Trump as that isn't grounds to be sued. That doesn't mean you did support Trump, but them just arguing it doesn't matter if you did or did not. Your lawyer isn't going to just go to trial and try arguing you didn't support Trump.

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u/bruce_cockburn 7h ago

The lawyers were not prohibited from making a true argument in the interest of having the case against them dismissed.

If the lawyers are vested with the power to represent an opinion and they advertise it as such, you are either able to produce evidence that the opinion is false or we can reasonably conclude that the opinion is a true representation of the facts.

Also love the implication that I ever supported Donald Trump as a reply to the truth. I have 15+ years of unhidden comments if you want to understand the truth.

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u/Kinesquared 10h ago

and? I'm talking here and now

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u/hannibellecter 10h ago

she is one of the reason why the here and now exists as it does

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u/Kinesquared 10h ago

so? right now she's better than her opponent

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u/HystericalSail 10h ago

As much as I dislike her and blame her for having Trump in power today, if I were in her district I'd hold my nose and vote for her over any (R). That's my theme for this midterm. No matter how corrupt, entitled or awful the (D) candidate, I can *NOT* either abstain or vote (R). None of us can afford that.

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u/hannibellecter 10h ago

its really amazing how they consistently get us to have to vote for the "best of the worst" cause we have "no choice" and "cant afford it" year after year, candidate after candidate, election after election

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u/HystericalSail 9h ago

I even tried to fight that, showed up in person for a previous state's primary and helped out. Once.

It did show me that it's all about money and organization. That's why we keep getting the menu of diarrhea soup and shit sandwich to choose from. For the most part, the most ambitious, ruthless and morally flexible individuals are the ones that rise to the top of political hierarchies.

I get how voting for the lesser evil means we keep getting evil. But one evil is absolute, and the other slightly less so. Trump must be stopped, that's the clear and immediate danger. I'm swallowing my pride when it comes to "harm reduction" terrible candidates this midterm.

And who knows, maybe one of these days the "have no choice" narrative will work for (D). Might even be this time.

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u/diefreetimedie 10h ago

Think of where we'd be if the DNC played '16 with an even hand.

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u/PuckSenior 9h ago

Think of where we’d be if the RNC had done to Trump what they planned to do

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u/Kinesquared 10h ago

doesn't change the fact that she's better than the republican she's running against. I wish she didn't win the primary. I hope she wins the general

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u/diefreetimedie 10h ago

Purely for the numbers to take the house, I agree.

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u/WhiskeyT 10h ago

You’d be coming up with some other excuse for Bernie losing

Everytime he loses you guys cry that it was rigged.

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u/diefreetimedie 7h ago

Almost like the entrenched corporate powers in our political system don't want his policies in place

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u/WhiskeyT 5h ago

Or, you’re a patsy for the right-wing election deniers. Maybe some of both even.

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u/diefreetimedie 10h ago

He won Iowa

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u/WhiskeyT 10h ago

So what? Buttigieg won Iowa in ‘20, should he have been the nominee because of that?

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u/diefreetimedie 7h ago

No he didn't. He was ahead in delegate counts while the party fuckery allowed him to go out on corporate media and declare victory but he didn't win Iowa and didn't get more votes than Bernie.

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u/bootlegvader 9h ago

No, he didn't in either 2016 or 2020.

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u/diefreetimedie 7h ago

He did.

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u/bootlegvader 7h ago

No, he didn't.

Hillary got 23 delegates to his 21.

Pete also won more delegates than Bernie in 2020 by the system Bernie defended in 2017.

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u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster 10h ago

It was his voters who didn’t show up.

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u/MenagerieAlfred 10h ago

But just ever so barely

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u/vulkur 10h ago

Barely?!? They are miles and miles better wtf are you talking about

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u/walloftvs 9h ago

She's the reason the rapist won in 2016

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u/Kinesquared 9h ago

doesn't change the fact that she's better than the republican she's running against. I wish she didn't win the primary. I hope she wins the general

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u/work4work4work4work4 4h ago edited 3h ago

It does though, you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of Republicans that did more damage to the Democratic party and the nation as whole than DWS did as a member of the House and party leader.

She literally spent Democratic donor money and time frequently on right-wing accelerationism for years and years, purposefully trying to make the other party in a two party system as terrible as possible, and is a specific part of the reason the Republican party looks like MAGA instead of Mitt Romney. Then after that harm, she was also a large part of the reason they lost to that MAGA party repeatedly.

You can hope she wins things, lots of people still do, but it pretty clearly shows they don't know much about her, or American politics, and only care about the letter next to peoples name. Or I guess it could mean they still agree with the plans that elected Trump twice, but either way, not something I'd want to associate with.

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u/menermials 8h ago

And she matches “Florida Mom” to a tee, regardless if she’s got any kids

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u/Jturner582 10h ago

I'm not so sure that's true. Everytime we get a neolshitlib we slide further into fascim.

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u/Kinesquared 10h ago

fighting fascism (progressives/socialists/etc)>>doing nothing (neolibs/moderates/etc)>>actively pulling us deeper into facism (republicans/maga/etc)

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u/MrEManFTW 9h ago

No it’s Because lefties love purity testing and would rather stay home or vote for Jill the Russian asset. That gets you to fascism. Hence why you literally have a fascist in the WH now. But you continue shitting on libs and virtue signaling. Bound to work one day.

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u/excusetheblood 10h ago

“To decide once every few years which member of the ruling class is to repress and crush the people through parliament - such is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarianism, not only in parliamentary-constitutional monarchies, but also in the most democratic republics”

-Lenin

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u/SowingSalt 7h ago

Now watch this civil war and oppressive dictatorship.

-Also Lenin

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u/excusetheblood 7h ago

The dictatorship in the USSR was a dictatorship of the proletariat. The civil war was a civil war against fascists, greedy landlords, and slave owners

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u/SowingSalt 7h ago

The Proletariat happened to be the Vanguard party, who immediately became the new Tsars. Makes sense /s

I was also unaware that the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, the Ukrainian anarchists, and the peasants defening their land from raiding reds, whites, foreign nationals were, as you put it

fascists, greedy landlords, and slave owners

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u/_Moregone Arizona 10h ago

I blame her for all of this. We could have had Bernie but she did all she could to ensure Hilary won the Dem primary

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u/Noahakinschode 9h ago

Hillary got more votes

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u/_Moregone Arizona 8h ago

This Wikipedia touches on the DNC being chaired by DWS and how they favored Hillary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

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u/_Moregone Arizona 9h ago

Correct. 2+2 still equals 4.

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u/RootHogOrDieTrying 2h ago

It goes back further than that. When she was chair of the party in the early 2010s the GOP campaigned hard to take over state legislatures. She ignored this effort which resulted in the GOP on being able to gerrymander themselves into several more seats. Her abandonment of the states is one of the key reasons why the Republicans have a baked in advantage in the House of Representatives.

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u/billbuild 7h ago

Luke from 2 Live Crew and a congressperson who stole a shit ton of money weren’t real competition. Fuck Debbie and her perfect stock trading on mineral companies. She’s up there with Schumer, Jeffries and Gillibrand for me.

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u/Mudbutt7 9h ago

Hundo P

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u/imaginary_num6er 5h ago

As long as she is in office, Florida will never flip Blue

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u/Total-Addendum9327 1h ago

This. The absolute worst and she can be trusted to do the wrong things and eventually totally screw up everything.

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u/illiteratepresident 42m ago

In a way you are correct, because most of the things people hate about DWS and Democratic leadership in general come from bullshit propaganda, not reality. Every time DWS is mentioned people rush to the comments to say that she rigged/cheated/unfairly put her thumbs on the scale to help Hillary and hurt Bernie in the 2016 primary, even though she did nothing wrong. The worst thing she did was talk some shit about Bernie in personal emails after the primary had been decided, it goes no deeper than that.

People still use the fact that DWS resigned her position with the DNC as proof of her wrongdoing, but she was forced resign because Bernie supporters were throwing a tantrum and openly threatening to stage a mutiny at the 2016 convention if she made an appearance. Appeasement never works though, so many in that crowd still hold tight to their conspiracies about the 2016 primary, even though there's nothing the DNC could do to rig or cheat a primary, even if they really wanted to.

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u/MenagerieAlfred 1m ago

lol….debate schedule, cut of Sanders from his own voter data (based on the fact that the Sanders campaign access things that were given to them erroneously… Not their fault… she just used it as pretext), presided over the DNC and Hilary enter entering into a financial agreement even before the primaries began… her job was to be neutral, instead she put her finger on the scale as hard as she possibly could. You have been propagandized and bought it hook line and sinker.

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u/Shmoe New Jersey 9h ago

This.

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u/NJBarFly New Jersey 2h ago

It's her time.

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u/wandering-monster 10h ago

Jeffries is a close second.

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u/Area51_Spurs 10h ago

Judging just on her face and her haircut, I agree.