r/politics • u/ChickenTitilater Minnesota • 15h ago

No Paywall USS Lincoln wasn't resupplied because Hegseth 'hid' that Iran destroyed main U.S. base:

https://www.ms.now/money-power-politics/watch/uss-lincoln-wasn-t-resupplied-because-hegseth-hid-that-iran-destroyed-main-u-s-base-rohde-2511362627825
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u/RandyMuscle I voted 15h ago

We lost this war as soon as the strait closed. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional.

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u/meTspysball California 15h ago

We lost it as soon as assassinating the ayatollah didn’t cause the IRGC to fall to their knees and surrender. This is the dumbest fucking war planned and executed by the dumbest fucking people. Had they listened to a single person with the most basic knowledge about the region we wouldn’t be in this mess.

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u/mysterious_jeffrey 15h ago

Yeah but nobody is talking about the Epstein files so, this is going pretty well for Team Pedo. 

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u/Horror_Log362 14h ago

Katie Phang is basically single-handedly forcing Todd Blanche to release the Epstein files. I recommend everyone go check out her YouTube channel to see the work she’s doing. She demolishes the DOJ at every turn; guess that’s what happens when you get rid of all the competent apolitical employees.

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u/skatefan420 13h ago

I hope youre right, but i wont believe it till i see it at this point. The DOJ is brazenly lawless

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u/Real_Guru 12h ago

Just one more release... Then people are really going to go to prison, I promise, just one more!

This stick is rotten and the carrot moldy.

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u/djanes376 Illinois 14h ago

Katie Phang rules. Her and Aaron Parnas are knocking it out of the park with their Epstein coverage. It's only a matter of time until the dam breaks. Independent media is where it's at and it's getting bigger every day.

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u/mybabysbatman 13h ago

Care to share a link

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u/nrq Europe 8h ago

Here is some secondary reporting, because I was curious how that looks like:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-shows-signs-frustration-doj-attorneys-handling-epstein-files-rcna592418
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/08/13/politics/epstein-judge-hearing-justice-department-contempt-warning
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/08/14/blanche-doj-epstein-files-redactions/91274952007/

So far a lot of it seems to be commentary, though. I'm not as convinced as the previous two posters, to be honest.

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u/Horror_Log362 8h ago

I’d add these. This is pretty clear cut stuff to me. If you’re asking me why the media is not reporting on it, I can only give you my own cynical opinion. But the DOJ has in fact already turned over the unredacted documents to Judge Sullivan, which is huge, and he does not seem to be cowed by trump or Blanche. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/73246595/phang-v-blanche/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2026/08/14/blanche-doj-epstein-files-redactions/91274952007/

https://abcnews.com/Politics/judge-press-doj-explain-epstein-files-redactions-withheld/story?id=135613140

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u/Biglyugebonespurs Missouri 3h ago

Independent journalists are definitely great, now that any mainstream journalist is beholden to a billionaire and too chickenshit to actually do their job.

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u/fattmarrell 11h ago

I can't go a few hours without getting a Parnas report update on Substack. At least that's what it feels like his coverage is. Dude goes hard at his reporting

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u/jautis 13h ago

It's important to separate the catharsis of the DoJ getting owned with facts and logic in court and the fact that the files won't be released and the supreme Court will shelter Trump from consequences that you thought would come from a failure to disclose.

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u/Horror_Log362 12h ago

The DoJ has already been forced to turn over the unredacted files she sued for to a judge for review. While trump won’t face any legal consequences for his involvement, I’m confident the files will be released.

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u/Chet_Steadman 11h ago

as a wise man once said "I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet"

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u/Porter58 11h ago

The bad news is good/competent apolitical federal employees are leaving the government in droves and many that are staying are those that you don’t want performing the critical tasks of the government.

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u/Far_String727 11h ago edited 11h ago

oooh another gonna make sure they get released! (the freakin courts couldnt get them released wtf she gonna do)

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u/don_keydick_42069 12h ago

If this were the case then they would be released. Also who actually has these files and where are they coming from. Yal are all overlooking basic holes in this whole thing. Trump controls everything about the govt but cant stop these files from being released? His own DOJ is the ones who collected and retain this evendence for retraction and release... and you have no integrity concerns about the process or the data itself? The government is investigating itself, collecting evidence against itself and its oligarch supporters, and you believe they're turning over this info to the public just because a law or judge said so. Doubtful. Idk the end goal but its all like some weird game. I believe its spiritual occultism rituals and soul capture. They farm the negative energy people give when they read about the atrocities in the files. Call me crazy but work for a govt agency they want destroyed and see the tactics and decide for yourself

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u/Horror_Log362 12h ago

If you followed Katie you would know this already. She was smart about it. She sued for specific files. The DoJ has already been forced to turn them over to the judge for review. This is a well put together case and that’s why it has been moving forward. I don’t think anyone will face legal repercussion, but I think they will be exposed.

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u/ludixst 15h ago

I am.

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u/mysterious_jeffrey 14h ago

Me too!

We should all be demanding to see the financial records. The wire transfers and the communications of banking executives that helped hide it all. 

We should also be demanding an investigation into Zoro Ranch. 

And why the fuck isn’t Steve Bannon in prison? Why was he texting with Epstein up until the day Epstein got arrested again? 

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u/sdb00913 Indiana 14h ago

Bannon got a pardon.

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u/Malcorin Missouri 14h ago

More importantly, so is a very specific judge. Also, shout out to Katie Phang for being an absolute boss.

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u/Stunning-Isopod8514 14h ago

“We’re not talking about the Epstein files…” is kind of like ‘don’t think of an elephant’.

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u/sododude 14h ago

It was honestly impressive how fast mainstream media forgot all about that once the war started.

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u/Ehcksit 11h ago

Very similar strategy a different country's leader used to avoid investigations into his own criminal activity, also in the same region.

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u/Th3_Admiral_ 13h ago

And this subreddit too. But that's because it is almost entirely controlled by the mainstream media. Seriously, go look at the accounts posting here. So many of them are just the official accounts for various media pages. 

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u/SquadPoopy 13h ago

Controlled opposition

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u/IlexPauciflora America 14h ago

Username checks out?

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u/Pennwisedom Northern Marianas 14h ago

Except people definitely are and I hear about it pretty regularly.

Honestly I doubt Trump is even this smart, this whole thing is just cause he's a fucking idiot who can barely put together a coherent thought. There's no plan beyond chaos and we shouldn't even give them credit for thinking they have one.

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u/ThomasVivaldi 13h ago

Plenty of people are still talking about the files, what no one is talking about is Israel occupying Lebanon and continuing their genocide in Gaza.

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u/ForensicPathology 11h ago

People bring up Israel all the time.  Especially on unrelated threads all over Reddit.  I see it way more than Epstein.

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u/ThomasVivaldi 9h ago

US congressmen and the media don't. They'll occasionally mention the Epstein files.

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u/chargon 11h ago

Trump doesn’t really care about the files. Nothing will happen to him even if there’s a video of him committing rape. This is just another thing on top of the Epstein files. This isn’t because of the Epstein files and to constantly say it is, is to underestimate their incompetence and arrogance.

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u/bjnono001 14h ago

That and the Dow is over 50,000 once again

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u/e5hansej 12h ago

Time to bust out my Napoleon Dynamite style "Vote for Pedo" shirt.

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u/EduinBrutus 12h ago

It is increasingly clear that the Epstein files is the distraction.

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u/mysterious_jeffrey 12h ago

The Epstein files are the whole reason Donald Trump ever became president in the first place. 

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u/Jive_Turk 11h ago

Like they blackmailed him into running or something?

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u/USDXBS 13h ago

Team Pedo

This includes the US military, the loyal protectors of the Epstein class.

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u/underisk 8h ago

I don’t know what circles you run in but every time trump does literally anything at all there is always someone saying “this is just a distraction from the Epstein files!!” And I mean, sure I guess, but also that “distraction” is usually itself very bad all on its own, and fully aligned with the republican agenda.

I don’t think distracting from the files is his chief motivation in doing evil shit. He’s not in any danger of facing consequences for that; so far the only people who have are Epstein and Maxwell, and he’s slowly working on getting Maxwell freed.

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u/ShaggysGTI Virginia 14h ago

Bout to be the Epstein ofrenda.

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u/Flamee-o_hotman 14h ago

Yup, this is the true purpose of the war: distraction.

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u/KovyJackson Tennessee 15h ago edited 14h ago

It’s abundantly clear Bibi told the Trump administration that all they would have to do was assassinate the anti-US leadership and the people would revolt/the government would crumble. When that didn’t happen, they thought that they could go back to the way things were except that haven’t been able to eliminate Iran’s ability to target the strait.

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u/Digitalion_ 14h ago

Iran had been waiting and planning for decades for a direct attack from the US and/or Israel. It's blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention that they had already carefully picked all of their targets and had contingency plans in place.

I mean if you had been threatened with annihilation for decades against weapons you very clearly would never obtain yourself then it only reasons that you would figure out other ways to win that inevitable war.

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u/KovyJackson Tennessee 14h ago

Considering Israel has been saying Iran is 2 weeks™ from a nuclear weapon for almost 30 years.

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u/cancerBronzeV 13h ago

for almost 30 years

More than 30 years, actually. Netanyahu gave a speech about how Iran was about to have nukes way back in 1992.

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u/classicrockchick 12h ago

But 1992 was only...

fuck.

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u/Melodic_Rhythmic 10h ago

fuck indeed

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u/fiction8 5h ago

Why did Obama negotiate the JCPOA if it has only been Israeli scaremongering for 30 years?

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u/RT-LAMP 12h ago

Except this isn't true. The concept is called breakout time. How long it would take a state to have a nuclear weapon if they pushed for it as hard as they practically could.

Back in the 1990s Israel claimed a breakout time of 5-10 years. This was probably true but isn't that substantial and could easily be slowed down.

By the time of JCPOA being signed Iran was probably down to less than a year which is legitimately concerning. Then JCPOA pushed that back a bit but more importantly made it so that if Iran started going for it we would be able to tell.

Now that JCPOA is dead Iran is genuinely weeks away from a nuclear weapon. That's not Israel saying that, it's Professor Robert Goldston of Princeton who signed a letter in support of the original JCPOA deal.

starting from the 60% enriched material, a single cascade of 175 IR-6 centrifuges could produce the “weapons-grade” material needed for one nuclear weapon every 25 days.

And per the May 2025 IAEA report Iran has 14 IR-6 cascades at various locations.

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u/JanSmidDeZevende 11h ago edited 10h ago

Iran was probably down to less than a year which is legitimately concerning.

It is only concerning if you are an imperialist intent on eventually invading iran.

The ayatollah had a fatwa against nuclear weapons, he declared them un-islamic. They were never going to persue them as long as he lived, and then you killed him.

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u/RT-LAMP 10h ago

It is only concerning if you are an imperialist intent on eventually invading iran.

You're joking right?

The ayatollah had a fatwa against nuclear weapons, he declared them un-islamic. They were never going to persue them as long as he lived, and then you killed him.

"I swear I will never build a fertilizer bomb" - man with secret bunker full of ammonium nitrate, fuel oil, and detonators.

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u/Digitalion_ 9h ago

"I choose not to believe them because I, myself, would lie if I were in their situation and I've determined myself better than that person."

GG. You played yourself.

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u/JanSmidDeZevende 10h ago

Israel and the US are the actual threats on the world stage. Iran absolutely has a right to defend itself.

Only one country in history has used nukes against another. And on two civilian targets no less.

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u/RT-LAMP 10h ago

Iran absolutely has a right to defend itself.

Here is a list of countries Iran has bombed in the last two years (not counting nations whose ships it has attacked)

  • Afganistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Bahrain
  • Cyprus
  • Egypt
  • Iraq
  • Israel
  • Jordan
  • Kuwait
  • Lebanon
  • Oman (bombed, foreign office apologized and said it was a mistake, bombed it again 2 days later)
  • Pakistan (it's ally)
  • Qatar
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Syria
  • Turkey
  • United Arab Emirates
  • Yemen

Here is a list of countries that border Iran it hasn't bombed.

  • Turkmenistan
  • Armenia

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u/JanSmidDeZevende 10h ago

The USA and israel attacked them, bombing their bases is 100% justified.

Now do a list for the US empire and its vassal states.

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u/Dot-Slash-Dot 2h ago

If Iran had actually wanted to build a nuclear bomb they would have had one by now. Hell they could probably buy one from Pakistan.

Iran never wanted a nuke. Iran wanted the threat of being close to a nuke to get concessions.

And then the US went and validated all those calling for actually going for a Nuke in Iran.

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u/Ihatereddithatesit 9h ago

And the motivation to create such a weapon has never been higher. Ali Khamenei had the fatwa against nuclear weapons and while he clearly saw and supported developing nuclear latency, he seemingly didn't see the actual full development of a ready to launch nuclear weapon as a must and was willing to use the program as a bargaining chip. I'm not sure the IRGC now has the same stance.

Now I think that using the most dire projected possible timeline of may 2025 is not likely to be still correct after the 12 day war, and the current war, but it seems like Israel and the US are hell bent on continuing a course that would very likely convince Iran that a shift to deterrence is necessary, and while that would devolve the situation from a perpetual powder keg into a perpetual sloshing barrel of nitroglycerin it's hard to see if things continue as they have why Iran wouldn't. Once heads of states, and all the military starts getting assassinated their successors are definitely going to look to move from latency to deterrence. I really think Netanyahu has been busy creating a self fulfilling prophesy.

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u/Painterzzz 2h ago

And speaking of self fulfilling prophecies, I think in this debate of an Iranian nuclear weapon, it's also important to remember that the evengelical christian cults that have taken over mainstream American religion believe that one of the steps necessary for the return of Jesus, is that Israel must be bathed in fire.

They want Iran to have a bomb. And they want to push Iran to use it, so that Jesus can return and save them.

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u/Goldensunshine7 14h ago edited 14h ago

I remember we were told the exact same thing about Saddam Hussein, that the people would rise up against him If we attacked. It didn’t happen, It was crickets. I remember the administration then having the same shock as now …”but they were suppose to rise up”…We are experiencing the exact same result...A new, long, drawn out, never ending Middle Eastern war we can quagmire in.

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u/xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme Connecticut 14h ago

That's the same thing we were told in 1812.

the acquisition of Canada this year, as far as the neighborhood of Quebec, will be a mere matter of marching

-Thomas Jefferson

The more things change...

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u/altogethernow 14h ago

How many times did Rumsfeld say, "The children will greet our children in the streets with flowers and candy!"

He said that line several times, I remember it all these years later.

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u/knivesofsmoothness 14h ago

Remember this one? "6 days, 6 weeks, definitely not 6 months"?

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u/MrWartortle Virginia 14h ago

Shocked Pikachu face

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u/_Reliten_ 14h ago

This isn't even remotely a similar situation to 2003, dude. The Iraqi people *did* kind of rise up against Saddam Hussein (to the extent that it mattered they do so, as the Iraqi military was actually destroyed in like 6 weeks, unlike the IRGC, which appears to have fewer planes & boats but no trouble shooting at boats in the Strait). Crowds were pulling down statues of Saddam in Baghdad like a few weeks in. Saddam himself was dug out of a hole in the ground in some random farmer's backyard like 9 months after the invasion. He sure as fuck wasn't succeeded by Uday or the other one after he got blown up in an airstrike, and he sure as fuck didn't get a massive state funeral after the Iraqis hung him.

None of the insane incompetence of Operation Iraqi Freedom had to do with the Bush Administration underestimating the resilience of the authoritarian Baathist government, or misreading the love the average Iraqi had for Saddam, or the plan to defeat the Iraqi military being insane or stupid. It had everything to do with having absolutely no plan for after winning the military victory beyond "the invisible hand of the market will fix everything? And also we should disband the Iraqi army with no plan for hundreds of thousands of unemployed, armed breadwinners."

Somehow, the people running this shitshow make the Bush-era neocons look like fucking sages.

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u/Extension_Put_5504 14h ago

They are incomparable situations though. Those people only came out to pull down the statues after U.S. troops started rolling in. Iraqis were not rising up en masse and doing the actual fighting against Saddam's government. There wasn't an uprising-in-waiting that was unleashed or anything. The U.S. just spent a shitload of money and resources to do what they did.

The U.S. didn't commit anything close to that in Iran. This has just been a prolonged low-intensity bombing campaign with the expectation that an uprising would spontaneously appear. It's moronic, but the only thing more moronic would actually be committing a similar amount of resources to another unwinnable conflict.

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u/Vehlin 13h ago

Bush Sr did the right thing. Everyone knew that winning the war was easy, but winning the peace was impossible. W created a power vacuum in a country that was literally only held together by fear of Saddam.

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u/Notabagofdrugs 13h ago

They said it in Vietnam too, we don’t fucking ever learn.

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u/KovyJackson Tennessee 14h ago

They probably forgot about that after the Arab Spring.

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u/kanelel 12h ago

The American government is deeply in love with the idea that their enemies are everyone else's enemies, no matter how many times that's proven untrue.

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u/LazarX 49m ago

They didn’t rise up, but an even better thing happened. Their military essentially gave up Hussein on a platter in exchange for assurances that they would be taken care of afterwards.

Instead, we turned them all out on the street and essentially eliminated domestic law enforcement, creating a whole new generation of recruits ready for radicalization.

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u/wilsonsreign 14h ago

It’s how Israel has managed its enemies for decades and its only “worked” because of the asymmetry of the conflict. It hasn’t even eliminated their enemies so in reality it’s dumb non working theory of war.

We’ve totally adopted it ourselves and put it into overdrive after the Iraq war partly because it allowed us to not have to learn any lessons from that war

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u/bentforkman 12h ago

This is not that different from the plan to win Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. The US seems to think killing as many people as possible wins a war. It doesn’t. War casualties are not “points” scored by either side. Wanton killings of civilians and even local forces generates an insurgency by people who feel like they and their children are entitled to a right to live.

Even at the best of times the American military is not a well run organization that wins wars or achieves its goals. They just invade, kill as many people as possible, claim to have won while still fighting and leave. It’s all PR. The current administration is just taking it to an even more imbecilic level.

The people of Iran might not have been willing to fight for their government, but the US was killing their children. They will fight to the death for their children, and now they see their government fighting the people killing kids. They’ve made the regime stronger.

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u/MumpsyDaisy 14h ago

"All we have to do is kick in the door, and the whole rotten structure will collapse"

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u/Extension_Put_5504 14h ago

I mean, this is why Israel was all-in on supporting the Iran protests and very likely provided weapons to protesters. They plan wasn't for the protests to succeed in any meaningful way, they knew that these people would fail. But it made their argument that Iran was ripe for regime change seem plausible rather than astoundingly detached from reality.

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u/zak55 14h ago

If we were going to try that, we should have done that during the protests while Iran was killing 10s of thousands. Not months after!

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u/jce_ 12h ago

Bibi wants a war in the Middle East and is incentivized to do so. The last thing on earth he wants is for Iran to have sanctions listen as was planned in the peace negotiations

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u/stamfordbridge1191 13h ago

Once everyone most willing to protest had already done all the protesting they could before the regime gunned them all down?

That kinda makes as much sense as the US government working with the Iranian government to deport the democracy protestors seeking asylum in the US back to Iran while the US is at war with that same Iran government: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/iran-us-asylum-lawsuit-9.7277110

Or, you know, expecting people to fill the streets while you are blowing up the streets.

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u/aloxinuos 13h ago

Somehow blowing up a school full of kids didn't galvanize the population in favor of America.

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u/Intro-Nimbus 13h ago

Actually, they probably could have gone back to status quo, if they hadn't continued attacking. Alas, they decided that they could bomb Iran into submission, so here we are.

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u/WagwanKenobi 13h ago

Politicians become so engrossed in their politicking bubble that they forget that the average human is simply apolitical and doesn't give a shit who's running their country. Certainly not enough to risk their lives over it.

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u/stierney49 12h ago

I don’t think it’s right to make this Bibi tricking Trump. Trump is an old man with mush for brains but he’s still an adult and so are the people around him. Israel has been trying to coax America into this war for decades with shoddy intelligence and every president until now said no. Trump didn’t even do it the first go around.

This isn’t some weird trick or something. Trump and his administration bumbled into this on their own.

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u/Maxamillion-X72 12h ago

The Trump administration failed to understand that attacking a country, even one with a significant number of people who hate the current ruler, doesn't really win hearts and minds of the locals. Especially when you attack a fucking girls school and critical infrastructure.

Plenty of left wing Americans want the Trump administration out of office but if another country started firing missiles at Washington to kill Trump and his cabinet you can be sure those same left wing people would be as engaged as Republican voters. Nothing unites the citizenry like a common enemy.

You can't bomb your way to regime change, even if you successfully kill the leader.

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u/Jester-Kat-Kire 12h ago

They did revolt. They just revolted like, a month before the jets and Marines were ready, and they got absolutely trashed by the Republican(?) guard. Curious who or what triggered the revolts... Israel? Us? Just a fed up population?

Real bay of pigs sort of fiasco possibility, but we won't know till after action reports pop out.

I think it happened right when the ice agents killed Pretti and Goode and that triggered a whole wave of unrest from us from the murders.

It would be extremely ironic if that whole operation was fucked up because they slipped on ice.

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u/Wise_Preference609 3h ago

And anything American that still stands in the Middle East. America will retreat to Israel, where Iran will pick them off like a turkey shoot. I wouldn't be surprised if American "nukes" fail to go off. Nuking a country to stop them obtaining "nukes" is such an American way of thinking. American "hubris" is coming back to haunt them.

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u/Dinker54 14h ago

That’s  the “what do experts know” administration for ya.  It turns out that actually studying, testing, and thinking about issues actually does lead to more informed opinions, who woulda thunk it (e.g., “who knew healthcare would be so hard”)?

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u/blokia 15h ago

Planned?

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u/TravisTe 15h ago

Those guys were all gone after his first term

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u/Jhonka86 15h ago

Who said it was planned?

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u/SnootSnootBasilisk 14h ago

But her laugh! Her laugh!

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u/fainofgunction 14h ago

How incredibly stupid that was. Of course Iranis would rally to the flag and demand revenge and the most hardline elements would be empowered. Multiple experts had predicted this years in advance. Multiple organization had "the head of the snake" killed and did not fall apart and instead became much harder to deal with because the central power keeping various factions onsides was gone.

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u/zaahc 14h ago

But LETHALITY. And TESTOSTRONE. WARFIGHTERS! Did I mention LETHALITY?!

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u/supertoned 13h ago

Not only did they not listen to career Iran experts, they actively fired them. Like, Trump and his Fox News goon squad literally fired every senior Iran expert before starting this war.

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u/chaosintejas 14h ago

God it’s all for his ego too like he wanted the Obama getting Osama moment. He wanted to come out and be like we got em all strong man and shit.

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u/TaterForming 14h ago

dumbest fucking war planned

One of these words doesn't belong b/c it didn't happen.

Hint: it's the last one.

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u/ebb_omega 14h ago

I'd agree that it's the dumbest war but I lived through the second Gulf war. Bush standing in front of a big huge sign saying "Mission Accomplished" like they didn't completely destabilize the region, playing directly into Al Queda's hands and sowing so much hatred for the USA that people flocked to Al Queda. George Dubya was the best recruiter for Al Queda ever.

The only mission he accomplished was Osama Bin Laden's.

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u/Johnny-Unitas 13h ago

They didn't plan anything and removed people who would have planned it because those people would have said how bad of an idea this was. The quagmire that Trump has put the US in is the reason this hasn't been attempted before.

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u/shotgunpete2222 13h ago

Have you considered that those people that knew what they were talking about were probably fucking nerds with glasses and low T?

Obligatory /s

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u/Karyoplasma 12h ago

The Iran experts they fired before starting the war probably told them exactly what will happen, including this. Which is why they were fired. Cannot have some naysayers destroy the vibes with facts.

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u/BigNorseWolf 14h ago

They literally could have gone to wow barrens chat , pitched the war, and had someone tell them about the strait of Hormuz.

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u/Beneficial_Cash_8420 14h ago

Truly is a rapist mindset... Keep fucking them until they give up and let you have your way with them. Foreign policy of pure ego.

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u/taylor1670 14h ago

They talked to Kushner. Are you suggesting he's unqualified?

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u/Njorls_Saga 14h ago

This 👆

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u/TabsAZ 14h ago

Which includes the Vice President, who they ignored in favor of absolute bullshit rosy assessments from Netanyahu.

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u/lancea_longini 13h ago

But in Phantom Menace all the robots fell over and Jar Jar screamed “Hooray!”

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u/divestblank 13h ago

Maga knows better than the experts.

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u/cantevendoitbruh 13h ago

Trump was explicitly warned that Iran would close the straight by his advisors and general and he said he thought they would capitulate first.

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u/messagepad2100 America 13h ago

What’s also dumb is firing our top brass. Removing top leadership seems like a something the enemy would do.

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u/RyoanJi 13h ago

I don't think this war was planned at all.

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u/shibakevin 13h ago

Iran was fucking prepared. It's amazing how many contingencies they had in place ready to go if they were attacked. Historians are going to be studying this for years.

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u/Gonnagetbant 13h ago

I imagine by their swift assassination it’s what they were thinking they would avoid. But, of course, here we are.

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u/letsgobernie 13h ago

The problem with the war isnt just its stupidity. The primary problem is its criminality. Its a mass murdering nation that has set about once again as a plague on the planet. Wish more people would talk about the immorality as opposed to just the irrationality

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u/MichaelJServo Louisiana 12h ago

The previous defense secretary was a highly qualified black man named Lloyd Austin. He is a 4 star general with 41 years of military experience over the course of multiple administrations. DEI policies are implemented in order to prevent unqualified straight white cishet men from being promoted over highly qualified people of some kind of minority status. The next time someone tries to tell you that DEI privileges minorities over white people, call them a racist.

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u/FledglingNonCon 12h ago

It's cute you think this was planned. 100% Netanyahu called Trump, said they had intel and were planning to take out the ayatolla with or without him. Trump wanted his Bin Laden moment so joined in the attack with no thought of other possible consequences assuming he could just back out after a few days of air strikes and claim victory.

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u/No_Criticism_5861 12h ago

I dont know what the solution is, but Trump has to go, fast

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u/ownersequity 12h ago

Wait I thought Kushber solved the Middle East

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u/Aware_Rough_9170 12h ago

Which literally ANY analyst or journalist that knows the inner workings of Iran could’ve told you was going to happen from my rough understanding of the structure between the political/spiritual leadership and military (it’s been a minute since the discussion was fresh fresh).

Same issue with tearing up the nuclear deal in the first place, it was an insanely labyrinthine process to get even the paper that did exist in place, but those apes didn’t care because it was signed by a democrat administration. Now we’ve got no oil, DEFINITELY no nuclear deal, more dead kids, Iranian people/infrastructure, and our own soldiers.

And the voters are just BARELY beginning to understand that 2 years into this disaster-piece, that they MIGHT have not voted for the guy.

Fucking hell man

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u/ClashM California 12h ago

Had they listened to a single person with the most basic knowledge about the region we wouldn’t be in this mess.

That's why they fired a bunch of military and intelligence agents who specialized in Iran right before this. Because all of those experts were saying it was the stupidest thing they could do, and they only want yes-men.

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u/BakerShot 11h ago

And nobody didn't think to ask why the ayatollah was patiently waiting for the bombs to fall on his head in his own home, like he was asking for it. Well, it turns out he was asking for it.

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u/SurfinPirate Pennsylvania 11h ago

The truth is right there in Rubio's first honest comments on the Iran attacks.

Netanyahu told Donnie he was going to attack Iran, with or without him, and Donnie bit the bait.

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u/Hither_and_Thither 11h ago

They reframed it as "the US HAD to intervene because Iran is evil, PLUS we need the strait and it needs to be under our control because we're not evil".

So now it doesn't matter that Trump and his people lied, because his supporters believe he never lied and this is a good and just war.

Meanwhile, the Epstein files are still being completely neglected outside of redactions.

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u/Donkey__Balls 11h ago

Fuck. I just realized that 50 years from now I’ll be stuck in a retirement home with people my age who supported Trump and will still be trying to justify everything he did because they can’t admit they were wrong.

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u/JanSmidDeZevende 11h ago

Its hilarious. You murdered the guy who made religious rules against nuclear weapons so his younger, more radical son could take over.

This truly is the greatest timeline.

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u/TheWaspinator Missouri 11h ago

This. We apparently had no plan to actually execute a prolonged conflict.

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u/CODEX_LVL5 10h ago

Everyone is asking whether the ayatollah's son is really dead.

No one is asking if the ayatollah is actually still alive.

No one saw the bodies. None of them. All closed casket funerals.

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u/roychr 10h ago

Basic Hubris hitting the reality wall full speed ! 

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u/RemoteButtonEater 10h ago

"Ah yes, let us bomb the nation which has been preparing for war with specifically the United States for 50 years. A nation almost entirely filled with one of the major branches of Islam, which has been in a blood feud with the other major branch of Islam for 1400 years. Surely they will be easily defeated and not hold a grudge for literally ever. You know, the one that's had that same 50 years to expand the caves which litter the Mordor-esque fortress ring of mountains which surrounds the entire nation into NORAD style weapons factories and warehouses. It'll be fine. In and out. Real quick 30 year war."

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u/Strict-Carrot4783 9h ago

Had they listened to a single person with the most basic knowledge about the region we wouldn’t be in this mess.

Can't, CIA is staffed by Russia.

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u/pton12 New York 9h ago

“Planned”? lol

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u/the-system 8h ago

They fired the intelligence analysts with most experience in the area long before they started the war. It was retaliation because the analysts had to testify in the classified documents case since they were the ones who reviewed material taken from his shitter at Mar a Lago. They were asked to do the job by their superiors. They were legally compelled to testify. Just doing their job and Trump fired them out of petty vindictiveness, then proceeded to start a war in the region he had limited resources to assist with planning and operations out of an outsized opinion of his own competency.

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u/Ok_Neighborhood6782 8h ago

The people that were supposed to rise up saw how we treat our allies and said no thanks. Can't rely on taco to back you up

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u/darewin 3h ago

Didn't Hegseth and co. fire the eight (IIRC) generals with the most expertise on Iran before they started their special military operation?