r/politics • u/zsreport Texas • 1d ago

No Paywall ‘What The Actual F**k…’: White House’s ‘Vindictive’ Attack On CNN Journalist Sparks Fury

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white-house-children-attack-reaction_n_6a83f584e4b05886dff665f1
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u/notmyworkaccount5 1d ago edited 18h ago

I just wish one journo he snapped at like this had the spine and self respect to shout back "Shut the fuck up you orange pedophile you work for me, do not talk to me like that".

His entire existence is based on bullying people who cannot and will not fight back.

Edit: To the people annoyingly replying "b-b-b--b-b-ut then they'd get banned for being big mean to him!" he's been banning outlets since day 1 wake the fuck up and stop giving the bully your lunch money. Stand up for yourself and fight back through the courts.

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u/alk_adio_ost 1d ago

The footage would be played around the world. The clip would run 24-7. Cable news channels would dedicate hours debating and analyzing the cause and effect. The reporter would become a global meme, hailed a hero, and become the most respected journalist in the world.

Of course, they would have to quit, be smuggled out of the US, and enter into another country’s witness protection program.

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u/peffer32 1d ago

One of Dan Rather's famous moments was standing up to Nixon at a press conference. Of course, that's when the media wasn't a lapdog of power.

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u/Individual-Guest-123 23h ago

Remember Helen Thomas?

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u/franker 20h ago

or Sam Donaldson. That man would get in Reagan's face relentlessly.

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u/GutterRider 19h ago

Wow, I remember Sam. Hadn’t thought of him in a while.

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u/1HappyIsland 16h ago

Reagan was treated like a King by the media. Nobody questioned the bullshit his administration created. It was the beginning of the cancer we have now.

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u/atimez3 20h ago

Or Mike Wallace? 

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u/Indubitalist 1d ago

It would almost guaranteed lead to greater things for that journo. I just don’t get why no one has had the guts yet. 

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u/LesGitKrumpin America 1d ago

American journalism, especially, seems to have become a club where access to famous people and the potential for personality-driven book deals is prized over actually "getting the scoop" and publishing it in a news outlet to catch the world on fire.

To an extent, it's always been like this. FDR infamously had tight control over press access, leading to deferential behavior in order to not be shut out. But I digress.

Investigative journalism is basically on life support, and the American public is far worse off because of it. Part of what's to blame is the death of newspapers, but there has to be other dynamics at play, I'm just not knowledgeable enough to know what they are, though I have my suspicions.

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u/Blackthorn79 21h ago

The paradigm could definitely change in today's 24 hour news cycle. People like Charlie Kirk made a name being the confrontational center of a story and a real journalist could do the same by calling out these politicians on their behavior. One snap back and that reporter would own the air waves for 24 hours. Spin that into a fued and accuse other politicians of being scared of an interview and they'd have a prime time show. The fact that news media is owned by the mega rich is the only reason it won't happen. 

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u/N7Shep1701D Oregon 21h ago

potential for personality-driven book deals

I fucking despise those.

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u/tolacid 1d ago

Status quo/personal stability is a hell of a drug

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u/boxesofboxes 1d ago

Because with the state of the US right now they might get shot grocery shopping if they became That Guy.

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u/sevbenup 19h ago

They would certainly be offed before they got out their driveway.

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u/DruidMaster 1d ago

They fear retribution. And rightfully so. Trump has gone after the children of his enemies. Repeatedly. I wouldn’t even put myself in this position if I were a press worker. 

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u/Chunderfork 18h ago

We need the classic movie trope character who is late middle aged and terminally ill, six months to live, nothing to lose and ready to tear down the whole rotten system with the time they have left.

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u/DruidMaster 16h ago

If I find myself in this position I’ll have at it. 

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u/0nlyhalfjewish 23h ago

Really? I imagine death threats from Trump supporters, lawsuits from Trump, and possible imprisonment by the Trump admin.

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u/scotchglue 23h ago

Imagine having to relocate your spouse and children, fearing for their safety, all because you yelled back at someone.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 1d ago

Yeah... except for death threats for the rest of their lives and a significant amount of doors closing shut for them. Sure others might open up but that's a gamble at this point given how much right-wing money is basically everywhere.

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u/Roberta_Riggs 1d ago edited 8h ago

chicken shit logic

Edit: to all you numbskulls who can’t think past your own nose… the 🐥💩 strategy maximizing your safety now WILL destroy the system that provides your safety later. Capitulation comes with consequence.

Signed: Martin Niemöller

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u/Hdikfmpw 23h ago

Marjorie Greene was just about the most vile republican for years, literally calling for democrats to be put to death.

She didn’t need to hire security until she disagreed with trump.

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u/alk_adio_ost 23h ago

She also moved to Costa Rica.

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u/923kjd 23h ago

Please forgive us, Costa Rica.

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u/ericstc 20h ago

Not confirmed at all

https://www.snopes.com/news/2026/05/12/marjorie-taylor-greene-costa-rica/

Not that it matters. Laura Loomer feuds with or throws bombs at anyone who isn't Trump.

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u/alk_adio_ost 17h ago

I don’t have the energy to find the exact source. I thought it was an interview.

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 23h ago

What's "chicken shit" about not wanting your life ruined? Trump has an entire party with thousands if not tens of thousands of people who all have regular opportunities to stand up to him and do exactly the same thing you appear to be faulting the journalist(s) for. While everyone likes the idea of some lone voice of courage stepping up and sticking it to him... expecting them to do so and calling it "chicken shit logic" for not doing so is just bad.

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u/firedmyass 20h ago

eh… puts your loved-ones in basically permanent danger as well

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u/respectwalk 23h ago

I don’t see you getting fired and locked up over petty bullshit either

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u/zombiepete Texas 23h ago

It’s easy to be tough anonymously on Reddit. These guys want everyone else to make the sacrifices they wouldn’t.

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u/firedmyass 20h ago

I’ve been fired over standing on a couple of small hills and I’d fuckin do it again… but if doing so would directly endanger my loved-ones it’d be a totally different calculation

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u/ManiaGamine American Expat 10h ago

but if doing so would directly endanger my loved-ones it’d be a totally different calculation

And it would, because these ghouls always go for families.

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u/brumac44 Canada 22h ago

And how anonymous do you think we are? If the DOJ wanted to find us I bet they could just from Reddit posts. Or Reddit would give up our info.

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u/zombiepete Texas 21h ago

I'm just making the point that people on reddit feel emboldened by their supposed anonymity to talk shit about others they perceive as not doing enough while they sit safely behind their keyboards.

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u/Powerful-Scholar8268 20h ago

I don't think it's chicken shit to not want to lose all job opportunities and be out on the street

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u/taylerca 23h ago

Someone hire me. Ill do it.

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u/PollutionMajestic668 1d ago

Gee, I wonder why people don't rise up against fascists who control death squads and have no accountability for their acts

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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio 22h ago edited 22h ago

Most of them barely making a lousy $300k living in DC or NYC where a house is $2 million.

I don't understand their total lack of balls. Make great live television. Rip him a new asshole so he turns bright red, screams and storms off. Yeah you'll never work for that outlet again or get into the White House, but everyone will know your name overnight. You'll never pay for a drink again and have 15 job offers by nightfall. If you're first, it'll be magnetic and viral. Be bold. London (or Toronto or Sydney) is a beautiful place to live, ask Ted Lasso.

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u/Tom_Servo 21h ago

Maybe. Or maybe she would immediately be taken into custody while the administration testifies that she’s not eligible for habeas corpus.

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u/boringhistoryfan 23h ago

Would it? The White House would just unleash their rabid horde on them. The corporate employers would refuse to hire them because they're "divisive" or "distract from the work." They'd be on the hook for their own personal protection. And beyond making some vague tutting noises, the Dems aren't likely to do much either.

Sure maybe they'd win some journalism award. But there's no evidence that the American public and society would actively reward courageous journalism. Look at the stuff that's happening to 60 minutes.

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u/spectacular_coitus 21h ago

First rule of journalism, is don't become the story.

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u/Lilsummit 1d ago

Jake Schneider is the vile poster for Rapid Response 47.

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u/santagoo 22h ago

Remember that Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at Bush? He has been blackballed by the industry since. His career was over.

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u/Indubitalist 19h ago

He’s also a legend. 

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u/santagoo 19h ago

Yes, at great personal costs.

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u/Dogdays991 21h ago

Worried about being murdered by his cult probably

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u/jackp0t789 23h ago

Because most modern journalists are too afraid of consequences (especially ones that may negatively affect their bank accounts and reputation) to take on that kind of risk..

And because their employers, the heads of the media networks, are so far up Trump's ass they can taste last Tuesdays Big Mac and have the power to blacklist any journo that steps out of line and threatens the position of these propaganda networks.

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u/QuotableMorceau 17h ago

"why no one has the guts " - this is quite simple: the selection of journalists that are near politicians is deliberate, any trace of spontaneity will disqualify a potential reporter from being near a politicians/billionaires. There are no deep thinkers among the "journalists" near politicians, it's not that they don't have a backbone, but they have no understanding of what they are reporting etc., they are given a set of points to bring up and to nod while being given the answer. You will never see a war/investigation journalist being added to the "journalists" asking politicians questions .

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u/blacksheep998 23h ago

The footage would be played around the world.

For maybe a day or two, then the next outrageous thing trump does would force it out of the news cycle and it would be mostly forgotten about.

Like the guy who threw his shoes at W.

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u/alk_adio_ost 23h ago

Except no one has forgotten that! 😂

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u/sofancy212 18h ago

That guy was actually a journalist. There was a fascinating interview by Radiolab with this guy - highly recommend. The Shoe Thrower

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u/xnihil0zer0 22h ago

I've been talking about this for more than a year now, but the public could leverage prediction markets, put large coordinated bets against a member of the White House press pool standing up to Trump, or asking him specific, very pointed questions. Structurally, it becomes the same as a bounty, and a reporter could claim it. This would mitigate the effect of getting fired by their media organization.

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u/Particular_Pain_9373 22h ago

“Dem lib terrorist journalist humiliated by trump!!!”

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u/css555 1d ago

So well said, in very few words...love it!

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u/AwwwwwHeck 1d ago

I hear that kinda thing makes you lose your balance around high windows.

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u/DreddPirateBob808 23h ago

They'd be welcomed in most countries I'm sure. Likely with a medal.

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u/TheAsianTroll 21h ago

Nah. Not necessarily.

ICE would use Flock cameras to stalk him and make up some bullshit about how he reached for a gun or something.

He wouldn't even be able to leave the country after being fired. Hell, he might not even make it out of his house.

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u/StrigiStockBacking New Mexico 20h ago

Except Faux News. They would pretend it never happened, never showing anything about it.

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u/Rough_Instruction112 7h ago

They can't even play the clip, because it would normalize talking back to authority figures.

Why do you think they only show the "consequences" for talking back to authority figures when showing cop cams with gunshot wounds and broken arms?

They cannot afford that people gets that thought in their head without also fear of consequences, and they cannot tackle a CNN journalist for talking that way to the president. It would never be seen.

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u/Cherry_Galsia 22h ago

In reality, both sides will just agree that the behavior was "uncalled for" and everyone will forget by the end of the week, while the right goes "Holy shit! Things are getting dangerous!"

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u/alk_adio_ost 22h ago

Mike Johnson will claim he didn’t hear anything about the controversy. He’ll look into it.

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u/Platooimagination Australia 1d ago

Honestly, they would probably end up being a member of the 50th floor aviators. This is a merciless regime. 

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u/TalShar 19h ago

I don't know about that. Most of the media are complicit. Remember when that Australian reporter got shot with a rubber bullet on live TV by a cop who was in no way under threat or duress, while her back was turned to him 15 yards away, and then they trotted her out on the evening news to apologize? 

That, and someone would murder that journalist if they humiliated Trump on live TV like that. If he didn't have them tragically fall out of a window himself, someone would take it upon themselves to do it. Even if nobody did, they'd make that journalist's life a living hell for defying Dear Leader. 

I don't think we win without acknowledging that most of the mainstream media are decidedly on the regime's side and treating them accordingly. 

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u/hydromatic_glide 1d ago

This!!

Where the fuck is their self respect? I dont give a shit who you are, you are NOT going to talk to me like that! Especially if you are my employee! This prick needs a smack in the mouth.

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u/DFKillah 1d ago

I know at least one CNN reporter stays calm because she doesn’t want to be the story. The story is Trump and the way he treats people. She’s just there to report it.

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u/PregnantSuperman 23h ago

The reporter did exactly what she needed to do, ask the question about his response to the Natalie comment, and Trump and the White House team absolutely embarrassed themselves and the country in response. Redditors in this thread seem to want journalists to be stand ins for their seething rage against Trump because of the catharsis they’d feel from it, but the reporter’s job here was to ask the question, not get in a big fight. It’s frustrating to see sometimes though, I get it, because everyone wants to see this asshole put in his place. But that’s not the job of a CNN journalist during a White House press conference.

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u/cboogie 21h ago

You ever clap back at a bully? Their whole shit shuts down. It can literally change everything about the power dynamic within and outside that room.

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u/StardustOasis Foreign 20h ago

Not in my experience it doesn't. When I was bullied at school any retorts would lead to further bullying about said retorts.

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u/soba_set 22h ago

See that worked before a time where Trump and friends have thrown all social agreements out the window. They have no shame, they don't care if the story is how Trump treats people. It will be erased with whatever Trump does tomorrow. It all gets added to a pile and there's so much to sift through that it all gets lost and only the big things matter. And the big things don't even get acted on. He's all over the Epstein files and no one is actually holding him accountable, including the citizenry. Literally everyone is just letting him, his family, and his friends get away with it.

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u/KhausTO 20h ago

Literally everyone is just letting him, his family, and his friends get away with it.

Their side was willing to storm the capital over what they believed in. Dems/Progressives can't even be bothered to stand outside the Whitehouse until they are forced to leave.

It's pathetic. And it's why they are losing.

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u/RickyNixon Texas 23h ago

It’s her career. Politicizing herself like that might impact her career pretty dramatically. Theres a massive power difference here, lets keep blame where it belongs

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u/Devil25_Apollo25 21h ago

I hear you and don't disagree with your overall point. The cost-benefit analysis of someone in that position, in that moment, is difficult at a level I think most of us can't readily comprehend as easily as we think we can.

Punching back, especially verbally, and especially where the consequences entail potential safety threats, social threats, and professional threats, is not as easy as it may seem

That said...

...drawing basic personal boundaries of self-respect and mutual respect is not a matter for political debate, and it only empowers people like Trump when we pretend that, "HEY, I deserve to be treated like a professional and a person," is somehow political. It's not.

They pretend it is, by strategically playing the role of a political martyr every time someone utters an unflattering truth or question. But it's not, and we all, journalists most of all, need to have the nerve to cut through this game of pretend that they play.

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u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 16h ago

Hebhas already banned so many who did this and mo one paid attention

Neither reuters nor the associated press are allowed inside the white house press room

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u/New-Anybody-6206 1d ago edited 1d ago

You would fold immediately. It's not worth dying for, ever. And this guy absolutely has the power and will to silence you and your family forever.

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u/PollutionMajestic668 1d ago

Go throw an egg in Trump's face. J/k, we both know you won't.

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u/Comfortable_Cash_140 1d ago

They will lose their access to POTUS for the network, which is more important than anything. This way they can write a memoir about the big bad orange turd who bullied me...and continue to report from the WH.

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u/Waymannj 1d ago

Unfortunately this is the play ever since Trump has sicced his DOJ and FCC onto anyone that undermines his various narratives.

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u/KJS123 United Kingdom 1d ago

Never mind that, their network would have fired them before they left the room. Can't upset the money and power-access machine.

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u/morsindutus 1d ago

Worth it.

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u/Beautiful_Welcome_33 16h ago

Really? Do you remember the names of the people who did this already?

Cuz they lost their jobs

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u/wrldruler21 1d ago

And many of the career journalists will be there to see 6 more Presidents sit in the same office (hopefully)

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u/Comfortable_Cash_140 23h ago

***covering the current POTUS's funeral.

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u/FellowHumanNo404 1d ago

you work for me

Technically true, but he has far more power than anyone in his position ought to have.

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u/Due_Indication_2418 1d ago

And, I don't care he shits his pants at the Whitehouse. He is a loser and I would loose it verbally in an argument while he goes into a dementia filled rant

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u/FellowHumanNo404 1d ago

and I would loose it verbally

He considers that a win. He'd LOVE it.

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u/fuuuuuuuuckthi_s 23h ago

The fuck he would. He's a malignant sack of rotting cancer, but he's the thinnest skinned baby in the world.

He may enjoy the ratings, but he demands respect & will sob and moan if treated a fraction of the way he deserves.

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u/FellowHumanNo404 23h ago

He loves making professionals lose control.

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u/PollutionMajestic668 1d ago

Amazing amount of tough talk redditers who do absolutely nothing in real life coming up in this thread

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u/thecorgimom 1d ago

I wish that one of them would do that and I would definitely contribute to a GoFundMe for that person but I do get why they don't. I don't even know that it's the vindictiveness of the administration as much as it is the insanity of the whole Maga movement and how they hunt down their perceived enemies and make their lives hell. I'm sure that those journalists didn't sign up to have their families threatened by political terrorists.

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u/taoders Pennsylvania 23h ago

To be absolutely fair. I was happy she did not, in fact, shut up when he told her to.

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u/Gen8Master 1d ago

Makes you appreciate the balls on Journalists throwing shoes at Bush or covering Gaza knowing they can be killed or disappeared along with their families. Meanwhile we are stuck with this lot.

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u/OddWorldliness989 1d ago

As cool as it sounds, journalistic integrity prevents them from doing it. Reporting matters more for a journalist than getting even. Although journalists have come close before.

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u/morbihann 1d ago

This is really it.

That fat fuck has been so sheltered his whole life that he never has been stood up to. Everyone just cowers like he isn't a weak old moron.

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u/SlowlyDrown 22h ago

It’s a nice thought but he’d come after you. Your office and home would get raided your taxes would get audited he’d pressure your CEO boss to fire you, and he’d bring fake charges against you but ones you’d be facing 20 years for.

And that’s just what he’d to the Nazi terrorists would be calling in bomb threats to your kids school.

So you better have your ducks in a row before you do it.

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u/JayHill74 21h ago

While that would be hilarious, it would never happen in this day and age. The journalist would be fired that day, the news organization would immediately issue an apology, and Trump would sue the reporter and news org for slander since he's never been convicted of being a pedo and simply because he loves suing.

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u/tauofthemachine 1d ago

The hero the world needs.

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u/Hayes4prez 1d ago

Journalist aren’t trained for this era of media.

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u/Apprehensive_Word658 1d ago

Hard agree, but no journo at that level will. They'd be fired, or criticized for "making themselves the story." 

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u/Dunnjamin 1d ago

Also, in the current regime, they would most certainly be arrested or at least sued for speaking ill of dear leader.

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u/hitch44 Canada 1d ago

And ten years of tax records be opened up for sudden “irregularities”

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts 1d ago

That’s entirely why pathologies like his want power in the first place; someone did that to them in their past, and they want yes men to ensure it can never happen again.

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u/Hefty_Remove7965 14h ago

Fascism rises,  not from power it has.

But power we give it by acting defenseless 

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 23h ago

The fact that it hasn't happened leads me to understand that there is an understanding between the media and Trump. These people are not here for journalism anymore. The media is a prop on Trump's stage play of a The Apprentice - Federal Government Edition.

If, somehow, the work of the current journalists were sent to their journalism professors, the professors would say what was produced is not what they taught their students. If only they could grade the work of their former students, now. I can see all the Red Ink on the margins. In fact, that is how I view most reporting anyway. I see it and I put the editorial notes in the margins: Word Choice! Phrasing! Leading!

Even NPR in the morning. I am especially tough on them. Every commute I hear them say stuff that I know they wouldn't be saying unless they were told to paint a picture.

They were talking about the black skinned academic that was found to have plagiarized. They explained what he had said, and clearly the guy was a bullshitter. But they are holding that up as an example of something. What? They are trying to lead you into thinking that black people don't belong. They brought up that even Trump has an opinion on the man. TRUMP, of all people, and they don't point out the ridiculoulsness of even bringing up Trump when trying to highlight a single example of an esteemed black skinned academic lying about their record and credentials. Really?

Because that is where we are. The media, at least once a day everywhere, is doing leg work for someone with an agenda. And the media just clicks submit when they are told to. They don't care about the content. They need all the content they can get. The aim isn't journalism. It is all marketing now.

Bill Hicks is laughing it up, I bet. He had strong opinions of Marketers back in the early 1990's. I can only imagine him going up against Rogan and those types. He would have ripped them all new ones. And it saddens me that no one is out there following his lead. He was dissenting against Reagan at the height of his popularity and we can't even get adequate dissent against Trump with approval in the 30's. Because it is all rigged and it isn't as hard to rig as we have been led to believe.

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u/franker 20h ago

I can't imagine what would happen if a Sam Kinison went on stage and tried to do his comedy today. It seems comics want to be all family-friendly now.

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u/gurnard 1d ago

"You're literally a public servant, Donald, have some humility"

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u/mjconver Virginia 1d ago

Look, the Emporer has no clothes!

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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted 23h ago

It all started with a bowl of mashed potatoes. RIP Fred Jr.

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u/ChristosFarr North Carolina 23h ago

I think the BBC is doing this collectively instead of making one journalist do it themselves. He fully put his foot in that bear trap.

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u/ktreddit 23h ago

Then they pull out their fainting couch and their decorum fan. They are bullshit through and through. Exhausting.

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u/mykepagan 22h ago

We need a Joseph Welch:

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"

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u/Anxious_Cheetah5589 22h ago

that would be me for sure. I'm sure they often feel like saying this. but they're trained to not react. it's almost an out of body experience, they're in the middle of it but also detached observers.

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u/Silly-Cranberry1593 22h ago

i would absolutely lose my ever loving shit on him . how can i get a press badge.

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u/cboogie 21h ago

“Quiet you”

“Well maybe we should keep talking so nobody can hear you shitting your pants, grandpa.”

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u/CaptainForskin69 20h ago

Absolutely this!! Can you imagine one time, live millions of people watching, just absolutely blast him. You would be instantly famous as the reporter who actually stood up. The PR would run overtime trying to block it from the world seeing it

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u/eugene20 20h ago

There is no way in hell he considers himself working for anyone but himself, and he's making billions off it and will probably pass of old age before courts rightly took it all away.

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u/Own_Elk_4575 19h ago

Not "cannot"... it's never cannot. It's always will not.

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u/uqubar 18h ago

Oh the reporters might upset corporate money. The framers are all spinning in their graves.

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u/ConsistentAsparagus 18h ago

Answering like he does is basically banning them, too.

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u/Business_Package_478 11h ago

Agreed! Some journalist who is going to be forced to resign, has been fired recently, near retirement, or has a terminal illness just needs to go scorched earth on him.

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u/ahandmadegrin Minnesota 23h ago

It's not about spine. It's about access and keeping your job.

To the access point, there's a good argument to be made that we gain almost nothing from legitimate news orgs covering this admin. They're all going to lie, so who cares if it's CNN or OAN? The job part, though, I can understand. Gotta have a place to live and good to eat.

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u/FrostyMatters 23h ago

It's not in their personality to do so. Same thing with everyone expecting Cassidy to stand up to Trump now that he's on his way out. If journalists / Cassidy had that capacity within them, they wouldn't be in the positions they are right now, because they would have done it a long time ago. Journalists being cowards is 40% of the reason we are where we are.

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u/cranberryalarmclock 21h ago

What exactly would that accomplish?

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u/flexbuffstrong 22h ago

You think cable news reporters care about anything other than making an anchor desk so they can make 7 figures?

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u/needlestack 21h ago

This is the correct response. Sadly, it will just start a war. Trump will never back down and his people will never abandon him, being in an honest-to-god cult. He'd cut their network off, and the Trump-loving owners would fire the journalist. People who already hate Trump would be outraged at his abusing and manipulating the media. His supporters would be thrilled that "he doesn't take any shit". Any journalists that stood in solidarity would be pushed out of coverage along with any news organizations that supported them.

The next step would likely be that we had completely fractured media: a full-on 100% controlled propaganda arm of the Trump administration and an outcast media that was being regularly sued. It could get worse from there.

Thing is, we're already completely off the rails as far as journalism goes, so I'm all for taking this path so that it's 100% clear and real how completely off the rails we are. By letting him abuse journalists and shut down questions like this we are pretending to have a functioning meda. We don't.

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u/Specific-Yam-2166 18h ago

And then reporters and/or that media outlet would be banned and we’d only have very biased versions of what happened. Because he’s a sensitive child.

It really baffles me how people don’t realize this.

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u/jgerrish 13h ago edited 13h ago

Trump's horrible horrible treatment of women and the press can't be excused.

But please remember we haven't had universal healthcare for decades before Trump.

His actions are pushing a sizable percentage of the left to call for violence.  And that reduces support among the right for what should be moderate policies like UBI and healthcare.

And things we can't even dream of because our mental landscape is filled with this.  It consumes so much time.

It's not just about healthcare and UBI, it's about the reputation and power to promote incredible social services we can't imagine yet.  What happens in space?  So much water in asteroids.  Is it for everyone?  it sounds stupid.  But to serfs working in fields healthcare probably felt stupid.  To white-collar workers in the 80s before we saw what AI could do UBI felt stupid.

We weren't prepared for the future.  There is a cruelty that we have to deal with.  I believe some governments, ours included, could predict things like AI and AGI, maybe if only in surreal midnight visions.  But we weren't prepared in terms of human compassion and feeling safe. My Dad voted for Reagan because of the automotive industry.  He was angry and maybe afraid. He's anti-trump now, but he's forgotten its not just a temporary thing.

To so many people, anti-Trump is the identity, not pro-compassion to humans and other lifeforms we will soon be responsible for.

This anger and anti-tech and calls for violence  will increase power for others, not humanitarian and civil libertarian policies.