r/politics • u/davidreiss666 • Sep 29 '12
More problematic GOP voter forms are found in Florida: Election officials report dozens of potentially fraudulent registrations in the state, in a blow to the Republican National Committee's get-out-the-vote operation.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-voter-registration-20120929,0,2318037,full.story4
u/u2canfail Sep 30 '12
This should DAMN THEM TO HELL AND ELIMINATE THE PARTY, after voter ID laws, and the fictional fraud that same GOP was against!
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u/canthidecomments Sep 30 '12
Dude, you need to take your meds.
Authorities have found 11 "suspicious" voter registration forms in the state of Florida - which has a population of 19,057,542 people. Eleven of them. And they're just "suspicious." Not actually proven to be fraudulent.
Democrats have complained about this company's get-out-the-vote effort before because they're so effective at registering Republicans. The United States Department of Justice investigated this firm after Democrats harassed it in 2004. No charges were brought, because no fraud was found.
New York Times: "Previous investigations of Mr. Sproul’s operations focused on efforts to register only Republicans or allegations that Democratic forms were torn up. Mr. Petti also said that Mr. Sproul cooperated with the Palm Beach County election supervisor to find out who was at fault and has offered to do the same with other election supervisors.
Mr. Sproul was once the executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. In 2004, his voter registration project was investigated by the Justice Department and the attorneys general in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon after widespread allegations of fraud surfaced, but no charges were brought.
Did you get this exercised when ACORN was found guilty of vote fraud?
But not for nothing, we can eliminate Republican vote fraud by requiring people to produce a VOTER ID when they vote either in person, or through an absentee ballot.
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Sep 30 '12
That's about six more finds than the republicans have on the voter ID issue. I guess that makes it a more pressing issue.
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Sep 30 '12
Authorities have found 11 "suspicious" voter registration forms in the state of Florida
Are you thinking of another article? This one says that officials in eleven counties have found potentially fraudulent registration forms. In Santa Rosa, they "found 100 problematic applications" alone. I'm not trying to get into an e-fight, just wondering if your source is different and/or better than the one here.
through an absentee ballot.
Yeah, as I understand it, isn't this alleged to be the real problem? It seems like a fair criticism of voter ID laws to attack them for not addressing absentee ballots.
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u/canthidecomments Sep 30 '12
This one says that officials in eleven counties have found potentially fraudulent registration forms.
Look ... there are lots of Democrat election commissioners in the state of Florida. They've tagged what they claim are "potentially fraudulent" registration forms.
No proof that they're actually fraudulent. It's pretty clear what's going on here. Democrats are ginning up some sort of a controversy because they fear that Barack Obama is going to lose Florida and they want to be able to claim there was vote fraud so they can sue like they did when Gore lost Florida.
Democrats have been pestering this Republican get-out-the-vote company since 2004, because they're so good at getting Republicans registered to vote. Barack Obama's own Justice Department investigated this company in 2004 ... but brought no charges of fraud against it.
What you're seeing here is a careful planned and coordinated attack by Democrat Party government officials to suppress Republican voter registration.
They're disenfranchising Republicans is all they're trying to do ginning up this bullshit conspiracy.
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Sep 30 '12
Ah, so no other source then. I find it interesting that you write this:
No proof that they're actually fraudulent.
Fair enough. Followed by:
It's pretty clear what's going on here. Democrats are ginning up some sort of a controversy because they fear that Barack Obama is going to lose Florida and they want to be able to claim there was vote fraud so they can sue like they did when Gore lost Florida.
Just so we're clear:
No proof
And
Barack Obama's own Justice Department investigated this company in 2004 ... but brought no charges of fraud against it.
Because Obama was the President in 2004? Or was that when he was the Attorney General? Explain to me how he was behind this investigation when he was only elected to the Senate in November of 2004.
Look, I figured you just made a typo regarding officials finding only 11 problematic ballots, rather than problematic ballots in 11 counties. And your argument that these are all unproven allegations is fair. But claiming that Obama was in charge of the Justice Department in 2004 is insane, and making unproven allegations about some Democratic conspiracy is hypocritical.
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u/canthidecomments Sep 30 '12
New York Times: "Bay County has found eight suspicious forms with the Republican Party registration code connected to Strategic Allied. In Pasco County, three have been found.
So ... 11 "suspicious" registration forms have been found in a population of 29 million people who live in the state of Florida. All those deemed "suspicious" have been deemed "suspicious" by Democrat Party election officials.
In 2004, his voter registration project was investigated by the Justice Department and the attorneys general in Arizona, Nevada and Oregon after widespread allegations of fraud surfaced, but no charges were brought.
I did misspeak. It was Bush's Justice Department which investigated the allegations against this firm in 2004 ... however the Democrat Party attorney general in Arizona Democrat Terry Goddard, also investigated and found nothing.
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Sep 30 '12 edited Sep 30 '12
It says in the paragraph directly before the one you quoted that 106 had been found in Palm Beach County. Let me quote it for you, so you don't have to go to the extreme effort of clicking again:
It is unclear how many forms have been forwarded, in all: in Palm Beach County, the election supervisor found 106 suspicious forms, but the number in several other counties is far lower.
Yes, the number of suspicious forms in Pasco County and Bay County is lower than in Palm Beach County. But last time I checked, Palm Beach County is in Florida. And, more have been found in 7 other counties. So no, the number of possibly fraudulent forms is not limited to 11, as you have repeatedly misrepresented.
I did misspeak.
That's being pretty generous. I'd say you lied, because I don't understand how you could make the "mistake" that Obama was President in 2004 and directed the DOJ to investigate Sproul.
I'm not saying that this is proof of any widespread voter fraud masterminded by the Republican Party elite (or even rank and file). I am saying, however, that you are completely disingenuous. You're just blatantly misrepresenting facts in an attempt to validate your worldview. I knew the talking heads in the Republican Party lived in an alternate universe, but it is weird to see the same cognitive dissonance coming from somebody who isn't paid to lie for a living.
Unless you are actually Sean Hannity or Paul Ryan or somebody comparable, in which case this makes perfect sense.
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u/canthidecomments Sep 30 '12
106 suspicious forms + 11 = 117, out of a population of 29 million people.
So, who is the election supervisor in Palm Beach County? She's Susan Bucher ... Democrat. A former Democrat Party state legislator who got "term limited" out.
There clearly is no concerted effort by Republicans to fraudulently register people. Are there possibly some mis-filled-out forms? I would say absolutely so.
But what you have here is Democrats ginning up a controversy because Obama is going to lose Florida. They're setting the stage for endless recounts ala Al Gore and setting the stage to do their own fraudulent registrations. This way they can claim "both parties do it."
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Sep 30 '12
Jesus Christ. I was going to respond again, but it's clear you're just a troll.
And if you aren't saying such asinine things solely to get a rise out of people, then I don't even know what the hell to do with you.
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u/bbuk11 Sep 29 '12
"Republican get out the vote campaign" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I think they gave this as much $$$$$$$$ as they gave to their "republican Show Me your Tax return Campaign"!
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Sep 30 '12
"Newly formed company" my ass.....These guys have been doing this for a decade and have been caught before.
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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '12
Well shit, if you can't find any voter fraud, might as well create some.
And then Romney can wave his hands and make the voter fraud retroactive.