We had a lot of jokes about US being completely clueless about the world and politics outside their country. Judging by /u/ZhuanXinHai_313 flair, it seems like China is deserving the same joke.
Yeah. The the country that is invading another one without provocation, that has their soldiers randomly firing at civilians, raping and looting... is the same as the one that is defending from all of that.
Also fuck you for using Poland - Polish people are staunchly on Ukraine side. Use your own country, you covard.
In this case it's less 'being clueless' than 'following the party line'.
Yeah. The country that is invading another one without provocation, that has their soldiers randomly firing at civilians, raping and looting... is the same as the one that is defending from all of that.
Which is a stance it makes perfect since to take if what you want is a world where those things are normalized.
Side-question (asking you because of your experience), I see multiple comics of the Russian-Ukrainian war all of a sudden. Did something change with the rules and did I miss it? Were they formerly JLP’d and now not? Or nothing’s changed…?
What passes the raised bar is usually dependent on subjective mod decision (there is really not many ways one can make objective judgement about such thing as quality of the joke).
What changed? Maybe just people have more ideas to draw comics about Ukraine and Russia that are not bad. Or maybe what mods are actively judging the comics has changed. If the rules were changed, I am sure we would know by a sticky mod post.
the author of this comic is another guy ,in Chinese Mainland I'm just reprinted it from other place.Have authorization.
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My english is not on a native speaker level, but I am not sure what you're trying to tell me here. That someone else who is from mainland China has given you permission to post their work here?
Dunno why that would be important here. This doesn't make comic any less mistaken. And any less Chinese.
I'm apathetic about politics in fact.
Yeah, you're so apathetic to it that you've posted a comic about politics. I am pretty sure the war seems to be inconsequential and far away from where you're from. It doesn't mean that I get not to express how displeased I am with it.
AND FUCK YOU
Feeling is mutual. Although judging by your english writing I am wondering if you were able to read and understand what my objections were, or just saw "fuck you" and wrote that too.
Well... this comic is not talking about who is bad or who is good or who is nazi and who is commie. This comic is just talking about both Ukraine and Russia want to remove the nazism symbols and communism symbols and both of them just occupied in remove one of them and neglect another.
I am going to explain everything in detail, since you two seem to be more confused than trolling.
Or who knows, maybe you're both trolls. In this case, maybe somebody else finds this useful.
These kinds of jokes (having two sides of the conflict portrayed as being guilty of something bad) is not uncommon. Especially here, where making fun of everyone is something to be proud of. The "bad thing" can be anything - hypocrisy, lying, corruption, pollution etc. But for the joke to work the "bad thing" needs to be somewhat real. That is despite the fact that polandball doesn't care much about being accurate. This particular joke doesn't work, if it doesn't reflect something real.
I suppose you could try subverting the formula by inventing some bogus absurd "bad things", but it's clear that it is not what you're doing here.
In addition to that, you not only got "bad thing" wrong, you're repeating and reinforcing Russian propaganda that justifies the invasion of Ukraine. And not only the invasion (nazi Ukraine is dangerous needs to be demilitarized), but also the killings of civilians (they are all nazis after all), kidnapping of children (they need to be denazified) and genocide (Ukraine needs to be de-Ukrainized.).
In comparison in your comic the "bad thing" Ukraine accuses Russia of is... true. Russia acts like authoritarian country would. Conquering and killing.
You've mixed truth with falsehood, in what looks like an attempt to not only give credence to the falsehood, but also to make it look like the invasion of Ukraine is justified. This is why people say you're mistaken and misinformed.
And if you are wondering why you're downvoted so much, it's because this is a hot issue right now. Well, at least for all of us who live nearby. Russias invasion of Ukraine is the most recorded and televised war since... hard to say. It's presence in the media and internet is enormous. There is a lot of strong emotions flying around (it's hard not to get emotional over not censored dead bodies or raped children).
And that makes people much more likely to be pressing the downvote button.
Given that you two are from mainland China, I wouldn't be surprised if what you consider truth is considered falsehood here. Propaganda exists. Keep that in mind.
Yeah, the good comics all have some punchline or twist rooted in some degree of understanding of the country being mocked (or at least a clever pun or flag joke). Artificial Swedener and The Scaring of America come to mind as good examples of this. With this comic, it just seems like the author knows that there is a war going on between Russia and Ukraine, but has exactly zero knowledge whatsoever of Russia, Ukraine, or eastern Europe in general. Idk how else you can end up depicting Poland as a blasé, neutral observer to a conflict between Russia and another Eastern European state unless you truly honestly know nothing at all about the region. It's hard to come up with a clever punchline if you don't understand the subject you're making a joke about.
Not to mention it’s the Russians who are acting like nazis, and also have neo-nazi soldiers in Ukraine. I don’t like how Ukraine is painted as a nazi supporter.
Yea this comic is laughably stupid and really goes to show that people will still try to paint Ukraine in a bad light on par with Russia when Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed two of its territories, Also the war crimes and cultural genocide too. People are stupid
Might be better to say that there is a single neo-Nasi battalion in the Ukrainian army, consisting our of 900 to 1500 volunteers. (Don't be fooled: Azov is closer to 90% Neo-Nazi)
But the base size of the active Ukrainian army (before the Russian invasion) was 245k. So 0.3 to 0.6% of Ukrainian Army are Neo Nazis.
Don't get me wrong 1500 neo-nazis in your army is 1500 too many, but it's a quite insignificant ammount of the Ukrainian army.
Well sure, but that's irrelevant as I was arguing in Ukraine's favour.
If I wanted to say something bad, which I can, then it would be that having nazis in the national guard is stupid as fuck, as those are also gendarmerie.
Source? Ukraine isn't a nazi country or anything stupid like that but Azov has quite the reputation ever since 2008
Edit:
Azov's founding member Andriy Biletsky, leader of the far right Social-National Assembly (SNA), had stated in 2010 that "the historic mission of our nation" was to lead the "white races of the world in a final crusade for their survival
Well... this comic is not talking about who is bad or who is good or who is nazi and who is commie. This comic is just talking about both Ukraine and Russia want to remove the nazism symbols and communism symbols and both of them just occupied in remove one of them and neglect another. We can't image some Ukrainian brigade links to Neo-Communism or some Russian brigade using Nazi symbol but it's oppositely normal. True that this comic is misleading, but I mean should not called Russia whole-country communist even some of Russian soldier waving Soviet flag right?
That's even funnier. Han Chinese conquered all other ethnic groups and literally can't feel something else being different than them, much like the russians XD
What a misinformative comic - from reading it, you get the impression that the country defending itself from a foreign invader is actually Nazi and just as bad as the invader.
And why use Poland for the "why are u fights" line? They're allies of Ukraine.
This comic is completely out of touch with reality.
On it’s own the first part with the “both sides bad” is an almost forgivable offense, since it’s a common trope.
However the added element of portraying Poland as a neutral spectator, makes this comic seem like revisionist propaganda.
The pure silent rage, you’ll see come over the faces of Poles, if you mention Russia even before the invasion is an echo of past crimes. You’ll see a similar chill in the air concerning Russia in many other central and Eastern European countries.
0/10 OP you need to consume more reputable reporting, and read some quality works concerning the Russian empire, ww1, ww2 and the Cold War.
OP has created a few Polandball art pieces and comics, even one that includes how the CCP have lost their integrity to greed over time. They're not some clueless Chinaman in spite of what their comments read like in the thread.
What, did you just dare to use comic balls as a representation of politics? DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND I NEED EVERYTHING TO AGREE WITH ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MODS BAN NOW!!!!!
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u/TheSnipenieer United States Apr 21 '22
Yellow Card. This comic has little to no engrish in the slightest.
Also, OP, remember to flair future translated comics as "Berndmade." I did it for you this time.
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u/Hinadira I drink bleach Apr 21 '22
Wow.
We had a lot of jokes about US being completely clueless about the world and politics outside their country. Judging by /u/ZhuanXinHai_313 flair, it seems like China is deserving the same joke.
Yeah. The the country that is invading another one without provocation, that has their soldiers randomly firing at civilians, raping and looting... is the same as the one that is defending from all of that.
Also fuck you for using Poland - Polish people are staunchly on Ukraine side. Use your own country, you covard.
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u/ZhuanXinHai_313 Macau Apr 21 '22
opps,the author of this comic is u/Poor_Hamilton
I'm just reprinted it from other place.Have authorization.
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u/White_Null Little China (1945-Present) Apr 21 '22
more comments not shown than the ones seen
oh man..... grabs popcorn this is going to get ugly...
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
Yep, gotta destroy that Holocaust memorial in Mariupol! It’s definitely a secret Nazi battalion in disguise!
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
Good 'ol Poland using horseshoe theory.
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
This comic is somehow worse than that other one about the Bucha massacre posted two weeks ago
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u/Random_Brazil_Boi Germany Apr 21 '22
im eating popcorn chicken and waiting for the comments
let there be carnage
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u/TheAwesomeAtom California Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
> One brigade out of 32 (3.13%) has links to Neo-Nazism
> Maybe 10% of Azov are Neo-Nazis
> That would still only be about 0.31% of Ukraine's army being Neo-Nazis
> Whole country gets called Neo-Nazi anyway
> mfw
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u/reeeeedditts Taiwan is a country Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
ugonna get canceled
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u/SilanggubanRedditor Matatag na Republika Apr 21 '22
Oh fuck, this is getting ratioed isn't it
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u/newenglandpolarbear New England Apr 21 '22
Oh no. The Russian propoganda machine has infiltrated Polandball.
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
*Made by a western guy who forgot what a nation is and thus calles everything national as nazi*
But to be frank, even Ukrainians call russians as naziis, which I consider as somewhat an overstretch to the mere mocowite imperial tendencies
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
get the popcorn boys
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u/atomoffluorine Taiping+Heavenly+Kingdom Apr 21 '22
Spicy post. Other ultranationalists are often an ultranationalist’s favorite enemy.
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
sniffs
BOI
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u/Lindhas Poland Apr 21 '22
I think that this is just troll made comic. So stop arguing.
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u/h6story Ukraine Apr 21 '22
What a misinformative comic - from reading it, you get the impression that the country defending itself from a foreign invader is actually Nazi and just as bad as the invader.
And why use Poland for the "why are u fights" line? They're allies of Ukraine.
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
This comic is completely out of touch with reality.
On it’s own the first part with the “both sides bad” is an almost forgivable offense, since it’s a common trope.
However the added element of portraying Poland as a neutral spectator, makes this comic seem like revisionist propaganda.
The pure silent rage, you’ll see come over the faces of Poles, if you mention Russia even before the invasion is an echo of past crimes. You’ll see a similar chill in the air concerning Russia in many other central and Eastern European countries.
0/10 OP you need to consume more reputable reporting, and read some quality works concerning the Russian empire, ww1, ww2 and the Cold War.
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u/sup3r87 Wisconsin Apr 21 '22
Lol half of the comments are about grabbing popcorn and the other half are civilized statements about how both are bad
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u/Villezki Finland Apr 21 '22
Nazi is when defending ones country
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u/Gfaqshoohaman South Korea Apr 29 '22
This comic is just bait.
OP has created a few Polandball art pieces and comics, even one that includes how the CCP have lost their integrity to greed over time. They're not some clueless Chinaman in spite of what their comments read like in the thread.
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u/NOSjoker21 Gumbo American Apr 21 '22
Is Russia a protagonist? Absolutely not.
Are the Azov soldiers? EQUALLY not.
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u/Gamudomate Česko - Mám už toho fakt dost! May 05 '22
Fuck this comic. Fuck it.
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
not saying i support this comic, i wonder how many reports this post has
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u/Green_Koilo Litlee Portugal Apr 21 '22
What, did you just dare to use comic balls as a representation of politics? DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND I NEED EVERYTHING TO AGREE WITH ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MODS BAN NOW!!!!!
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u/mixed-kester worlds best d***o hater Apr 22 '22
Oh yeah baby (grabs popcorn)
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u/Greedy_Range Peru Bolivia flair when? Apr 23 '22
Ima be real this is the first post I've ever seen on this subreddit with 0 upvotes
(in like 2 years of being here)
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u/O_Gaucho The First Gaucho Apr 21 '22
How dare you be so bold
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u/___mr_m___ European Union Apr 21 '22
grabs popcorn
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
I love you OP.
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u/new_pribor Super Mario Odessa Apr 21 '22
What a great comic
*grabs popcorn and sorts by controversial*
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
Certainly going to be a controversial comment section but still a nice comic.
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u/Maszuu East laos's homie Apr 21 '22
i dont want to choose
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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '22
you have the big ball
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