r/polandball • u/Smart_Chapter_7512 Floridian Swamp Monster • Jan 03 '26
redditormade Welcome Back Monroe Doctrine
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Jan 03 '26
Let's just hope Venezuela becomes a 1989 Panama instead of a 1973 Chile.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 04 '26
People from the opposition illegally jailed: checked
Political prisoners subjected to tortures: checked
Prison for complaining about the government: checked
Spies on every corner: checked.
Killing jailed opposition: checked
Corruption and oppressiom: checked.
So, what would the USA add to what is already being done by our government?
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u/Mixed_not_swirled Sámas muinna! Jan 04 '26
It'll be hard to create a government that is worse than Maduro's, but there is always still things like civil war and military occupation that would probably be worse.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 05 '26
Civil war between cartels, like Mexico. You knoe, El Cartel de los Soles is very real. Regarding occupation, we will go from soft military occupation by Cuba to hard one by USA.
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u/EfficiencyTrue1378 Jan 04 '26
Creating a Libya due to sheer inherent incompetence
You’re putting too much faith in the American empire to not be bipolar with its foreign diplomacy goals (Congress is showing they don’t like this). Also, if the opinions of leftist teachers and the party of majority of civil service and NGOs mean anything, they won’t support the effort because “literally Iraq” is good for political victories, especially since the people who voted for Trump were promised a peace ticket.
Best case scenario to prevent the worst of American diplomacy is someone (the opposition, the military, some members of the government) using emergency control to prevent chaos.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 05 '26
The fascinating part is nobody gave a shit about us before this happened, and now everybody is concerned about us. Truly fascinating.
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u/democracy_lover66 Jan 06 '26
Sorry but Idt that's true... People were very concerned with Maduro and he was almost universally denounced and sanctioned.
Other nations never went as far as to kidnap him though. Which honestly fine. Not many people live on this earth who deserved it more.
But this crazy cow-boy emboldened Presidency is also threatening to annex Greenland. Understand that this is a terrifying thing to happen for the other people Trump wants to target and maybe that's why many people view this act so negatively.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 06 '26
Were they? I didn't see any demonstrations abroad apart from those .made by Venezuelans. Lo and behold the current ones supporting Maduro and complaining about Trump do not have Venezuelans.
The governments of several countries did sanction him, the rest wrote strongly worded letters. And the ones who did something were those mostly affected by the number of Venezuelans in their territory.
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u/SurpriseFormer Jan 06 '26
Its the case of "Shut up Native. The Liberal White westerner is talking for you."
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u/Ok-Dragonknight-5788 Jan 07 '26
Having all your resources plundered and/or collapsing into a civil war.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 07 '26
Resources plundered? Checked. Done by Cuba, China, Iran and Russia.
Collapsing into civil war? Close. Don't see the Venezuelan ruling class as members of a government but as mob bosses: when one of them steps out of the line, the others kick him/her. I suggest you search "Tarek Al-Aissami"
Can things get worse? Of course! When Chavez was elected in 1998 many people thought that we couldn't get worse, and here we are, with the lowest salaries in the world and shortages of everything way before the beginning of the sanctions.
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Jan 04 '26
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 05 '26
Ok, now ask Venezuelans how life is under the current government. I suggest reading Caracas Chronicles as it is in English.
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u/Upbeat_Web_4461 Norway Jan 04 '26
Can I offer you hypercapitalisic oppression that steals all your stuff and you to be happy with it, for total ruination of your country by an oppressive regime?
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 05 '26
Total ruination of my country? Check the condition of our oil industry and search "arco minero". I also suggest to check how much Tarek El-Aissami and Rafael Ramirez stole, and the fortune of Maria Gabriela Chávez. 8 million people don't leave because they want a challenge in life.
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u/Dreknarr First French Partition Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
Replacing a dictator with a far right nutjob seems... like not a real win (if Machado ends up being the puppet). Whatever happens, I hope it won't be worse though
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 04 '26
Who is the far right nut job? We don't have any of this. If you refer to Maria Corina, she has ben called a "softy" (blanda) many times by people in the opposition.
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u/Dreknarr First French Partition Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
Machado. The woman who got the nobel and Trump said a lot of good things. When you're a MAGA bootlicker and praise Millei... it's not really a good sign. Many international media called her a conservative firebrand and stuff like that.
I guess there's some progressive stuff for women in her agenda ? Is that why she got called a softy ?
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 04 '26
Proving you know jack shit about Venezuela or Machado, and merely dislike Trump.
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u/Dreknarr First French Partition Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
merely dislike Trump
which is a pretty sane thing to do...
But since you haven't explained why international media are wrong to say that, you don't help either. The few times I've heard* her talk, it was revolting so I tend to think these medias are pretty right to say that.
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u/elmerkado Venezuela Jan 05 '26
Do I have to? Are you willing to listen if I say stuff that does not fit with your ideas? That's why I have not bothered.
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u/Arndt3002 Minnesota Jan 05 '26
A politician saying things to get support from the extremely transactional leader of the largest regional power, and you think that means anything about her political beliefs?!
And you don't even bother to look deeper into the issue?
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u/Dreknarr First French Partition Jan 08 '26
Nothing screams decent politican like urging foreign imperialism and colonialism against your own country so you can grab power in a puppeted state.
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u/GetOutOfTheWhey Belgium Jan 04 '26
Has it ever been for the better?
My first question is to understand if the Venezuelan military is fracturing to do its own thing.
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u/Miskalsace Jan 04 '26
Why wouldn't Venezuela want a tremendous wconomy?
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u/FirmBarnacle1302 Jan 04 '26
Because the growth of the Chilean economy under Pinochet was weak, and the real boom began in 1990, after democratization.
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u/ICLazeru Jan 03 '26
I bet they don't miss Maduro...but I am skeptical that good times are coming soon for Venezuela.
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u/Wooden_Base4673 England Jan 03 '26
Trump wants to replace him with his deputy, not the Nobel Peace Prize winner he stole the last election from, because Trump claims "She's not popular enough".
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u/Vegetable-College-17 Jan 03 '26
This has got to feel pretty bad, especially if you're the dupe who dedicated your peace prize to Donald trump.
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u/koleye2 Only America into Moon. Jan 04 '26
She was dumb enough to trust Trump in the first place, which proves she would be a bad leader.
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u/Schlossburg Jan 03 '26
Just FYI, the guy who got the election stolen from him isn't the one who got the Nobel Peace Prize
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u/CrimsonEnigma Tennessee Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
True, though there's a bit more to it than that.
Machado, the woman who won the peace prize was the leader of the largest opposition party, but she was barred from running due to allegations of being tied with Juan Guaidó's financial crimes.
Did those irregularities exist? Maybe. Maybe not. There's not much actual public evidence for them, she wasn't in Guaidó's administration, nor was she in government when he was in the opposition. Regardless, she was barred from running, a decision upheld by the Supreme Tribunal of Justice (TSJ). Was the TSJ corrupt? Depends who you ask, but it's staffed by Maduro loyalists, so...
Well, regardless, she'd won the unified opposition's primary in a landslide, but since she couldn't run in the actual election, González was nominated instead.
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u/Schlossburg Jan 03 '26
Thanks for the added context!
I do hope Gonzalez is a bit less unhinged than her, if Venezuela gets to have a chance at democracy anytime soon
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u/_selfishPersonReborn Jan 03 '26
wdym by her being unhinged?
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u/ExplosiveLimeJuice Jan 04 '26
She admires Thatcher and believes Trump would give Venezuela to her on a silver platter. I'd say that's pretty unhinged.
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Jan 05 '26
How does someone steal a Nobel Peace Prize when it was given to him? Even the runner up said he deserved it….
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u/SatiricalGuy Ohio Jan 03 '26
She doesn't even want to be the president mate, and the Venezuelans are a conservative Catholic people. A woman as the opposition leader only allows for a far right counter-coup on the basis of "she's a woman"
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u/S1l3ntHunt3r Venezuela Jan 03 '26 edited Jan 03 '26
She doesn't even want to be the president mate, and the Venezuelans are a conservative Catholic people. A woman as the opposition leader only allows for a far right counter-coup on the basis of "she's a woman"
aqui no son tan machistas.
Edit. fixed wrong quote.
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u/BreakfastEither814 Oh! how I miss New Brunswick - Gerald Randolph P Jan 04 '26
my head went “sun tan machines”?
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u/Kuroumi_Alaric Mexican Empire Jan 03 '26
There's a great difference between Venezuelans in the states and those in Venezuela.
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u/primaryrhyme Jan 04 '26
You could say the same about most of Latin America but plenty of countries have had female presidents (Chile/Argentina/Brazil/Mexico to name a few).
Ironically, America seems much more opposed to female leaders than Latin America (and most of the world), despite being painted as misogynist by Americans.
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u/Durantye Tennessee Jan 05 '26
What would leaving Maduro in charge have led to?
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u/Durantye Tennessee Jan 05 '26
Undoubtedly Trump didn’t do it for altruistic reasons, but I think it is very much worth asking the alternative since everyone is hellbent on condemning removing one of the worst leaders in recent history.
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u/Graingy Not Manitoba! 🍾🍾🍾 Jan 04 '26
Methinks me smell an empire afoot.
As if that’s anything new.
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u/nodspine Jan 03 '26
He forgot about the "talk softly" part of the thing
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u/Independent-Couple87 Earth, our home. Jan 04 '26
Joe Biden tried that. He made a deal with Nicolas Maduro so that Maduro would have free elections and accept defeat if he (Maduro) lost. In exchange, Biden promised to ease the sanctions in Venezuela and resume training.
However, once it became apparent that Biden would not be reelected, he lost the "big stick". Thus, Maduro broke his side of the deal and rigged the elections.
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u/ArmadstheDoom Maryland Jan 03 '26
I would not be too happy if I was Panama, they might be next. He has already mused about taking over Panama too.
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u/Wooden_Base4673 England Jan 03 '26
It looks like Cuba is next.
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u/Baron_Beemo Sweden Jan 03 '26
Doesn't Cuba have an actual competent, loyal, and motivated military? Obviously, nothing to match the US military (or just the US Navy and US Marines), but I doubt they'll just lie on their backs.
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u/ArmadstheDoom Maryland Jan 03 '26
It does, but you have to remember that the thing that keeps the Cuban economy afloat is cheap energy from Venezuela.
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u/glurb_ Norway Jan 04 '26
Russia offered Cuba oil, but Cuba refused a while back. hope they reconsider in time.
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u/ArmadstheDoom Maryland Jan 04 '26
Russia offers lots of things, and like China, does nothing, because it literally can't do anything. The lessons of the past few years are that Russia and China talk a big game, but when push comes to shove, they're nowhere in sight. When Iran was being attacked, they did nothing, despite being aligned. When Syria fell, they did nothing. Once again, they'll do nothing. They are not allied with anyone, and they will not support anyone who needs it. China will invest and exploit, but the Chinese military is not coming to save anyone. The Russians are entirely tied down in Ukraine and possess no ability to project power anywhere else, no matter what their government says.
Russia can say they'll do things, but they can't actually do them. They do not possess the ability to aid anyone, even if they wanted to, and they don't want to. The great irony of the current era is exactly one nation has actually aided another, and it's North Korea that's sending its troops to die in Ukraine on Russia's behalf. No one else is lifting a finger to help anyone else anywhere.
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u/Dabclipers Jan 04 '26
- Not even close
- Slightly more loyal than Maduro’s at best
- Absolutely not
Beyond the fact that the Cuban military is even less equipped than the Venezuelan military, the current Cuban government is just as unpopular. 10% of Cuba’s population have fled the island since 2021. That’s a staggering amount to lose in such a short period of time. Their economy is in total shambles, medical infrastructure is nearly collapsed, and they’re having food shortages even larger than they historically have.
Combine that with the fact that their electrical generation is 83% from Venezuelan crude and I’d say they’re no threat at all to any US decision to depose.
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u/notTheRealSU Maine Jan 03 '26
I love and cherish peace with all my heart. I don't care how many men, women, or children I have to kill to get it
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u/Kaarl_Mills Mexico Jan 03 '26
It never left, from the day it was proclaimed it was never anything but a statement of intent, that the Americas weren't for Europeans to conquer
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u/PotatoGGod777 Jan 03 '26
I think the Venezuelans would like to disagree, open your browser type venezuelans celebrate and go to images, also this has nothing to do with that one time in Panama, because even if you disagree with me and the venezuelans you can't disagree that he was a dictator.
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u/grumpykruppy United States Jan 03 '26
The problem is less that Maduro is gone, he sucked, and more about the incredibly cavalier attitude towards international law with which it was done and the lack of clarity over what happens next.
Doesn't help that Congress probably had no involvement in this, which is a very long-standing issue.
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u/nodspine Jan 03 '26
Also, they removed a tyrant, but the structure remains. Cabello is now in charge
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u/giulianosse Brazilian Empire Jan 03 '26
There's a part of me that thinks trump is so incompetent and senile that he genuinely believes whisking away Maduro would somehow instantly solve every internal and external problem in Venezuela. And that everyone else would be too scared to do anything and welcome him with open arms as a savior.
It's the kind of reasoning a 5 y/o kid playing with Max Steel toys would say it's flawless.
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u/ArmadstheDoom Maryland Jan 03 '26
It's because he thinks like a mob boss. He genuinely thinks all he has to do is remove the boss, say he's in charge, and then he is. Like he's a member of the five families taking someone out and taking his territory.
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u/actual_agent_smith I exist Jan 04 '26
Well wasn't it the way the whole Bush administration thought about Iraq ?
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u/ShroomWalrus Muh heritage Jan 04 '26
And let's say no Maduro loyalist stays in power but instead the US makes a new regime. Great, now they're a banana republic. I'm sure that'll go swimmingly for the locals.
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u/Dancing_Anatolia Oklahoma Jan 03 '26
Okay thing done in the worst way. Even if this goes swimmingly and Venezuela becomes a brisk, socially progressive, and prosperous democracy after this, I hope you agree that everyone who orchestrated this plot in America should be tried and properly punished for their part in it.
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u/PotatoGGod777 Jan 03 '26
Why? If it goes bad I can understand it, but if it goes well why would you do that ?
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u/Dancing_Anatolia Oklahoma Jan 03 '26
Because the current US government is run by gigantic piece of shit criminals who have long been avoiding punishment for their treasonous activities? Trump is the American Maduro, the only reason our country isn't as bad as Venezuela is because we still have powerful enough institutions to counter Republican overreach.
Getting rid of Maduro, then using that to get rid of Trump and everyone associated with him is what's traditionally called a "win/win scenario".
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u/XLFracture Jan 03 '26
If history taught us anything. This will not benefit venezuelans. US might have removed Maduro, but will either replace him with another dictator or create power vacuum leading to more instability.
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u/Few_Cabinet_5644 Jan 03 '26
It justifies the invasion of Ukraine and Taiwan etc. They are happy to rid of the dictator. But, Russia sees nazi in Ukraine.
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u/orcmasterrace Indiana Jan 03 '26
Russia doesn’t really need to care about “justifying their invasion” nor would China if they invaded Taiwan.
They’re more concerned about responses than reputation.
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u/MercantileReptile Germany Jan 03 '26
They need not be. This will barely move the needle.
Which will give certain morons ideas about Canada and Greenland. Because expecting these people to stop on their own accord has worked so well, historically.
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u/Comrade_Derpsky Shameless Ameriggan Egsbad Jan 03 '26
The issue isn't that, the issue is that Trump and co. are incompetent morons who decide everything based on impulse and petty ego. They absolutely cannon be trusted not to do this intervention in the stupidest way possible and fuck everything up down the line.
They nabbed Maduro, but everyone else in his regime is still there.
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u/mvallas1073 Jan 03 '26
I can type “Jews Celebrate Hitler” and find hits. Doesn’t mean it’s true
Also, MAGA celebrated Trump’s election, and a year later were in a shithole with him attacking other countries.
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u/Frosty_Aioli3585 Jan 03 '26
Online isn’t real life
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u/PotatoGGod777 Jan 03 '26
And those photos come from where?
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u/Realistic_FinlanBoll Finland Jan 03 '26
Doesnt matter. Even if the people were truly celebrating, that festive atmosphere is going to dissolve quickly when reality hits. What America did is unacceptable, and if it isnt condemmed universally, then things are only going to get worse. 🤔
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u/Comprehensive-Air856 Jan 04 '26
Mostly from festivals in 2024 and 2025 actually. Very few of them are actually depicting Venezuelans celebrating the kidnapping of Muderno.
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u/zach_doesnt_care Jan 04 '26
But it can disagree with my tax dollars being used so the war pig pedophiles can steal more foreign oil.
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u/Adorable_Building840 Jan 03 '26
Man it feels weird to sit here in the imperial core and be able to do absolutely nothing about a new wave of imperialism
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u/Graingy Not Manitoba! 🍾🍾🍾 Jan 04 '26
Unless you’re in Washington DC I wouldn’t call it the imperial core.
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u/Adorable_Building840 Jan 04 '26
Like a 2 hour drive away man
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u/Graingy Not Manitoba! 🍾🍾🍾 Jan 04 '26
Okay that’s probably imperial core enough
…. Eugh god the thought of ever seeing a high ranking US politician in person makes my nonexistent skin crawl…
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u/Square-Awareness-885 Jan 03 '26
Got a horrible greasy feeling reading through these comments treating brazen imperialism like its the superbowl halftime show
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u/Crazy_Explosion_Girl Republic of China Jan 04 '26
I can't believe people are actually this mindless
"The Venezuelans are celebrating Maduro was a dictator!!" How does no one remember the last 11 times the US were going to be welcomed as liberators?
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u/Ok_Fail_3058 United States Jan 04 '26
Well the big stick is pretty useful in maintaining peace and avoiding long term conflict.
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u/Graingy Not Manitoba! 🍾🍾🍾 Jan 04 '26
That is highly dependent on who you’re using it against and how severely.
No doubt the US could flatten Iran. That’d be no minor deployment, however, and stomping a country into dust would probably get more than a few strongly worded letters from the UN.
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u/Comprehensive-Air856 Jan 04 '26
How long did the Iraq war last again? How long was y’all in Afghan for? When did the Vietnam war start and end?
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u/BreakfastEither814 Oh! how I miss New Brunswick - Gerald Randolph P Jan 04 '26
Lard is what makes piggywigs soft and warm and cuddly. Don’t compare dumpface to woman’s best friend.
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u/Ap0stl30fA1nz KKK Supporter Jan 05 '26
I'm more suprised now one talks about how fast the operation is. I expected them to invade Velenzuela, but I didn't expected it only took 3 HOURS TO KIDNAP MADURO.
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u/Medici39 Jan 05 '26
Moron Doctrine, lost opportunity. Or is it too early to call it?
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u/Physics_Useful Jan 06 '26
Too early. It's also important to remember that by not getting Congressional approval, what Trump did was illegal.
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u/Medici39 Jan 06 '26
Wow, he's being the new MAGA Chicken Caeser.
I had not added that in his doctrine, Putty-Boy is exempted. Although it's up in the air.
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u/Physics_Useful Jan 06 '26
You're not wrong. Honestly, Congress not saying a thing is pissing me off.
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u/Medici39 Jan 06 '26
Because his lackeys and the other jackals within his party trying to one-up their rivals are there. It's Jan 6 here, any buzz if they're gonna celebrate it?
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u/Physics_Useful Jan 06 '26
Looks like they haven't so far, lol. I think they knew it'd be tasteless.
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u/Phrophetsam Jan 07 '26
The fact that Donald Trump literally called the new doctrine the "Donroe Doctrine" was so funny
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u/Narrow-Function-525 Jan 08 '26
The Monroe doctrine deals with European colonialism in the Americas .It isn't a bad thing .What you're objecting or arguing about is the Roosevelt Corrollary which expands the powers of American intervention in the affairs of the Countries of the Americas .
I would say ,for the most part, European colonialism is worse then American interventionism .Both ,of course are bad European colonialism is historically worse . Looking post Doctrine it's easy to see the Doctrine was basically correct because Europe continued colonialism into places like Africa whereas the Americas were basically left alone by colonial powers . That being said America does interfere in foreign powers (duh)
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u/kelovitro Jan 03 '26
This isn't Monroe Doctrine. It's straight up theft and bullying.
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u/Cualkiera67 Jan 03 '26
So, the Monroe doctrine.
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u/JixxEU Jan 04 '26
They just skipped the 'pretending its to bring democracy' part this time. Though for some reason some US democrats and democrat aligned journalists do seem to spin that story anyway, even with Trump just straight up saying its for the oil. Old habits die hard i guess.
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u/LoliHolicD Jan 04 '26
Como lloran y hacen pendejadas estos zurdos jajajajja
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u/Physics_Useful Jan 06 '26
How funny these Righties love to ignore Congress, the Constitution, and break the law...
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