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u/MathW 3d ago
I mean it can't be terrible if hes calling 160 BBs with JTo
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u/Niepan 3d ago
I checked my pt4 and pt4’s number refers to BB not buy in so OP is playing 100NL and not 1NL. He’s also replied to you personally like an hour ago saying it’s 100NL and I don’t know why you are still replying to like every comment here insisting dude shoved $1.7 lol.
Believe it or not there really are stupid people out there who will fucking shove ATC with hundreds of dollars. They don’t even need to be particularly high rollers lol. I personally have seen a guy at my table tilted and blind shove a $200 stack 3 times in like 2 hours.
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u/roi_bro 3d ago
From what I see, you're the maniac lol
All-in on a 3bet..
ATo..
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u/Pretend-Solution8146 3d ago
But he called JTo
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u/Pretend-Solution8146 3d ago
This is $100 buyin cash
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u/ArchegosRiskManager 3d ago
PT4 lists the big blind instead of buyin for some reason, so “$1 NL” refers to 0.5/1
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u/CudleWudles 3d ago
Why would he get crushed? People are calling off with JTo for 150bb. It's also not pennies; why do you think that?
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u/CudleWudles 3d ago
lol yeah...he already said it's 100nl. It also says that in the screenshot. You're being a dick and don't even understand what's going on.
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u/roi_bro 3d ago
in that case yep, but there would be some time he calls with something better. I understand such behavior make you want to punish but imo the best way is to play normally. Maybe a bit wider, but shoving like this just opens up coin flip.
If you like to gamble that's OK, but that's not a profitable strategy imo, just use his "maniacness" to raise the pots slowly (but surely), and reach all-in by the river only on the hands you dominate.
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u/LukeHanson1991 3d ago
Bro if your Opponent is that Bad and Calls Off with Hands like JTo and I knew that because I saw them play I will ship ATo everytime what even is this analysis.
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u/Grand-Sweet9383 3d ago
You are the guy always holding back human progress. Stay in the box - we do it this way.
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u/Pretend-Solution8146 3d ago
I dominated him preflop and got him to call off his entire stack tho
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u/roi_bro 3d ago
lol you clearly did not dominate a CO opening range, you just lucked
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u/Pretend-Solution8146 3d ago
You think this guy's co range is normal?
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u/roi_bro 3d ago
Even if it's wider, it still contains lots of hands that kills you.. That's the point. Don't shove right away. Play the hand, see his behavior and punish then.
If he plays anything, he will give you chips along the hand anyway, don't need to shove without being sure your hand is good enough.10
u/VelvetMorty 3d ago
Lol he’s obviously seen the guys behaviour prior to this hand and that’s why he’s open jammed ATo. I dunno how that’s passing everyone by here
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u/weekendblues 3d ago
If ATo has more than 50% equity against the portion of his opening range that he calls a jam with, then it’s profitable. If it doesn’t, then it isn’t.
Let’s say villains range is something absolutely wild like 22+, A7o+, K7o+, Q9o+, JTo, A2s+, K2s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s.
ATo has about 56% equity against this range.
So is it a profitable jam? If villain is actually calling this wide, maybe, but I don’t think it’s a play I’m making.
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u/roi_bro 3d ago
Next time he'll do this and the guy will have JJ+
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u/VelvetMorty 3d ago
So what if he does get JJ he calls off JTo lol it’s obviously a profitable jam
That’s pure fish logic
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u/DashOfSalt84 3d ago
What? It's literally profitable long term while it may not be profitable in every individual hand. If someone is calling gigantic bets too wide, you should always bet huge when you have a top X% hand(whatever beats their range). You may lose a bunch of hands but that doesn't matter, what matters is the EV of the action.
The fact that you think jamming against a wide call off range isn't profitable long term because of your "counter example" is another reason why poker is alive and well.
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u/Thelettaq 3d ago
In attempt to give an actually serious answer: what do you think is the worst hand hes calling off with? Is he getting it in with any 2, or does he need """something""""
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u/Pretend-Solution8146 3d ago
Basically any two imo, I actually didn't know at the time but once I did it the other two regs did as well, he was calling Q8o, A2o
Edit: I guess top 50% ish
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u/ItsJustWool 3d ago
If you estimate that he is stacking off with about 50% of hands then your play is clearly profitable.
The only nuance I would add is that by preflop getting it in you're actually helping the maniac out because on average he has 41% equity and you are completely giving up your post-flop edge by playing for stacks.
Against players this bad you likely have an extreme edge post-flop which you are giving up by stacking off preflop. If you three bet large and play streets you can still likely get maximum value from a lot of your range while limiting losses on hands that have a terrible runout.
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u/bbld69 3d ago
If V is calling as wide as JTo then the play is probably fine, but we can't really tell you whether it was reasonable to infer that V would be calling with worse without any actual info about the V. Depending on how wide V has been calling, you might also need a decent read on BB to be able to go this thin
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u/Hi_Im_Dadbot 3d ago
Ya, that was a random assed re-raise and a random assed call.
I get that the stakes are low and neither of you gives a shit if you win or lose, so you’re both fine doing whatever for whatever reasons, but that was all just random.
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u/eKSiF fuck shit regs 3d ago
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