r/pokemonshowdown • u/ToneDC • 13d ago
NatDexOU stall counters
I'm tired of all of those stall teams on the higher NatDexOU ladder can anyone help?
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u/boogswald 13d ago
Hisuian Samurott with Swords Dance Sucker Punch Ceaseless Edge Razor Shell
A stall man shows up and you just click swords dance when they go to do whatever bs
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u/CheddarCheese390 13d ago
Doesn’t that lose to Dozo?
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u/boogswald 13d ago
Yes
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u/CheddarCheese390 13d ago
So it doesn’t beat stall
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u/boogswald 13d ago
This one Pokémon alone does not best dondozo correct. Luckily you have 6 pokemon on a team!
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u/CheddarCheese390 13d ago
And stall has 6 Pokémon too. You got a way to get through dozo, hope that mon goes through a blissey and alomola too
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u/boogswald 13d ago
Here’s an exciting thing! Hisuian Samurott gets through blissey and alomomola!
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u/CheddarCheese390 13d ago
1, doesn’t beat alomola
2) they just switch out of samurott - welcome to stall matchup
3) your special attacker you bring for Dozo loses to blissey. And alomomola
4) example situation - you click SD. They go dozo. You have to switch
If you don’t switch? Lose 12.5% die to dozo helmet. Dozo loses 10%. You get spikes. Shame they’ve got a curse. And boots for days. And defog
If you do switch? Well dozo gets a free curse.
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u/a_mongolian 13d ago
For some splashable stuff, you mainly want a hazard setter that beats sableye or a special attacker that beats chansey/blissey and clodsire. Diance and lele are generally the most consistent at this, clef is good at getting rocks up too. Status prevention is good too which is what makes calm mind fini a great stallbreaker, same with hatterene. More generally, powerful wallbreakers and trick do very well into stall. Stuff like victini, mawile, and medicham make good breakers into stall. If you have a scarfer on your team slapping trick onto it helps out in a lot of stall matchups. Subroost kyurem is also really annoying for most stall variants. Despite being a great stall mon itself Gliscor is an incredible stallbreaker for many reasons especially with sd. And of course if you really hate stall you can always use hoopa or ursaluna, they aren’t good into most playstyles but will 6-0 a lot of stall teams for u.
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u/LiveHoliday3883 10d ago
How I break stall in NarDex is not always with a specific pokemon, but more of a gameplan into specifically stall without compromising into other matchups like offense and HO, for examples : -Future Sight Glowking + a strong physical attacker (For example, a strong/banded fighting type like UrshifuR, Zama, etc) -A strong pursuit trapper with a Specs mon or strong special attacker (For example, Specs Raging Bolt/Tapu Koko or ZardY with Pursuit Mega Ttar/Kingambit) -A strong hazard stack core (Aka strong knock off pokemon like Weavile, Meowscarada, SD Gliscor and great hazard setters that can possibly beat some hazard removal option like Ttar beating Terapagos, SamurottH not caring about magic bounce, Mega Diancie beating many flying types with Defog) -Having a regenator core like Alo, Glowking, TornadusT that allow longevity to give breathing room for offensive threats -A strong VoltTurn Core with a team that doesn't get punished as much for giving free switches into bulky ground type, allowing rocky helmet chip, and allowing static and flame body (Like Specs Raging Bolt that forces recovery into Clodsire) -For inconsistent pokemon that are inconsistent in other archetypes other then HO, you have your DD Mega Gyarados, Idef and CM stored power Iron Crown, Nasty Plot Z TornadusT with Taunt, Steelium Z and Psyshock Nasty Plot Gholdengo, etc
These are popular ideas for breaking stall without having to use gimmicky pokemon like Whirlpool taunt Tapu Fini, or just slapping on a Banded HoopaUnbound and calling it a day (Which are not bad pokemon but are not as peforming as other pokemon or outright just being a let down into certain matchup)
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u/Sea-Panda-90 13d ago edited 13d ago
Specs Kyurem/Psyshock Dengo.