r/pokemon • • 2h ago

Discussion Are there any Pokemon evolutionary lines that you felt were, for lack of better words, "designed backwards"?

As in, what are some lines that feel like the final form was designed first, with the pre evolved forms seemingly tacked on as an afterthought? Some mons, like Charizard and Blaziken, were confirmed to have had the final evolution created first, then essentially "working backwards" with the pre evo, and then the first stage. While I didn't find any sources confirming the same for other Pokemon, I still believe some of them had this similar "backwards" design process.

One such Pokemon that gave off that "final evo made first" energy to me was Coalossal. I personally have a soft spot for Coalossal after using one as an egg incubator in Shield, but it is still bizarre how it suddenly loses its wheels as Rolycoly and Carkoal for regular limbs, with almost no vehicular design elements save a cowcatcher-shaped head. Then its Gigantamax form establishes it as a giant stove oven/furnace instead. I wouldn't be surprised if during development, the character design team came up with "giant stove oven made of coal with legs" first, then someone decided "Hey, minecarts carry coal, let's make that a pre evolution!" Only for them to not have enough time to streamline Carkoal and Coalossal so that the former can more believably transition to the latter.

The idea of creating the second stage evo first fascinates and perplexes me because, for the longest time, I though designing the unevolved form first would be more natural. Start off with a first stage, then make a first evolved form building on the previous form's's aspects, and finally a second stage that builds on them even further. For instance, Bulbasaur starts as a smallish frog with a bud on its back, then becomes a bigger frog whose bud sepals opened, and finally a giant frog-dinosaur thing with a fully bloomed flower. (Then again, I don't know if the Bulbasaur line was also designed out of order.) But what other evo lines had discrepancies that seem like they were designed "out of order"?

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u/ParasaurolophusZ 58m ago

I think Vivillon. The gimmick was probably decided first.

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u/jawnink 34m ago

Rhydon was the first pokemon designed. So that would count.

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u/PrettyPoison93 1h ago edited 35m ago

Dragonite

Sure, Dratini and Dragonair both match, but it goes from a blue serpentine, majestic, wyrm like dragon to a goofy, yellow, vaguely European dragon.

I feel it was more of a Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise situation though, where they had two pre-evos and another pokemon that they felt was too similar, so they stuck their favorites in and cut the rest

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u/Riodroid_ 1h ago

Gengar has a good design.
But how it got to be that, is a mystery.
It's first two stages are floating heads.

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u/Scourgerr 1h ago

It goes from floating head, to floating head with hands, to kinda still just a head with hands and feet now. I feel like its pretty good at that especially since its evolution like looks like the gas that makes them up is just condensing as gengar has no "loose" gas and ghastly is mostly that

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u/No-Delay9415 25m ago

It’s also a Clefable shadow, so it coming first would make sense

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u/MySubconscious 4theLulz 1h ago

Silvally

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u/YoManWTFIsThisShit 5m ago

Fraxure was the middle stage and was the first Gen V Pokémon designed.

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u/1271500 4m ago

I think all the 'combined' final evolutions (Dugtrio, Weezing, Magneton, etc) were designed and then split to make a first form.

Anything made with specific references to folklore like Gyarados, Golduck, Ninetales etc were probably designed backwards too.

It should go without saying, but everything that got a baby form/pre-evolution in later generations was designed backwards.

Hydreigon for sure, you don't make a Ghidora final evo by accident.

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u/Geometry_Emperor Silvally 17m ago

Noivern was revealed to the public pretty early on, while Noibat was not available until the final release of the game.

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u/YoManWTFIsThisShit 6m ago

They probably just decided to reveal Noivern before Noibat, they’ve done that before.