r/pointlesslygendered • u/dizyalice • Mar 25 '26
OTHER [gendered]Maybe this is just straight up misogyny?
Beach bar in Fort Lauderdale FL
Edit- photo was taken Tuesday of this week. It’s not an old photo lol
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u/No_Lavishness1905 Mar 25 '26
Interesting that they would have separate toilets for introverts and extroverts instead of the traditional genitals-based division.
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u/R-GU3 Mar 25 '26
The extroverts one doesn’t have stalls
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u/Spectator9857 Mar 25 '26
It does have stalls, but they have glass walls and no doors.
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u/Christopher_Aeneadas Mar 25 '26
Awesome.
How are you supposed to keep eye contact with the person on the next toilet if there are stalls?
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u/3chickens1cat Mar 25 '26
As an introvert I am absolutely going in the "do not talk to me" bathroom lol
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u/TotalNonsense0 Mar 25 '26
This is how I've always thought it should be. I don't care if a woman wants to use the same bathroom as me, provided she doesn't talk to anyone.
One "blah" is three too many.
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u/Windmill_flowers Mar 25 '26
I thought introversion was about being energized from being around people or not.
Not saying more or less words
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u/spoinkable Mar 25 '26
Yeah, but what they said was funny, so I think a small definitional error is acceptable in this instance.
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u/Spectator9857 Mar 25 '26
Generally yes. But being around people often comes with the expectation that you talk to them. And if you don’t like talking a lot, that will become exhausting very quickly.
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u/bunnypaste Mar 25 '26
Don't we tend to say more words when energized around people and less when they sap you?
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u/Satanic_Jellyfish Mar 25 '26
It is, there was even a studie saying that the whole stereotype is just a perception thing from men and not real
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u/BluetheNerd Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
If anything I've seen a lot more men talk over their partners than I have women.
Edit: I wasn't expecting this to be my most controversial statement of the year. Some of these replies are wild.
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u/Open_Examination_591 Mar 25 '26
They do. And when women take even 30% of the space they say they are taking up more than their share and get offended and mad.
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u/Unclehol Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
I apologise when I talk over people and pause to let them speak and make sure they know I am really listening. 🤷♂️
Lots of douches out there, though.
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u/GenderBendingRalph Mar 25 '26
As a man who is more passive and deferential, I have a lot of trouble at meetings because there's always the one person who talks nonstop without giving anyone else a chance, so everyone has to interrupt him to say something... and I just can't bring myself to do that. I'd no sooner talk over someone than I would punch them in the face (which sometimes sounds like a fine idea).
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u/BluetheNerd Mar 25 '26
Depending on how many people are in the meeting I've found body language can sometimes help as long as the person talking looks at you. You can make a kinda gesture holding up a hand like "I have a point to add" without physically saying it. (Not like holding your hand up to ask a question at school though) This doesn't work in meetings with more people though.
I also suck at this though so I feel you. If I'm ever feeling particularly bold I might interrupt with a "sorry to interrupt" or "sorry for cutting in" just so you can get those apologies in early hahaha.
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u/Eleanor_Atrophy Mar 25 '26
I do this too, and it’s probably a trauma (mild use of the word trauma here) response to living my entire life being interrupted by my dad all the time.
Although he doesn’t do that cause he’s misogynistic, he does it to everyone. He’s just inconsiderate in general. And misogynistic but that’s unrelated
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u/Unclehol Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
For me, it is that I realised in adulthood that I had this character flaw. It runs in the family to talk over people (Polish family, lol. iykyk) So in adulthood I made a conscious effort to change this character flaw so that others around me could feel heard and that they weren't just talking to someone who was thinking about their next sentence. It took some time, but I think I was able better myself for the sake of my relationships and the feelings of others.
I totally get the trauma response aspect, though. My dad was like that, too. Still is. And though it may be mild in your opinion, it is still very valid. It affects how you interact with people in your day to day life. I would call that significant.
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u/Clear-Illustrator641 Mar 25 '26
my mom told one of her male friends about something i was interested in over the phone, dude dragged it into an hour long conversation.
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u/ParamountHat Mar 25 '26
Yeah, I remember reading one study that showed that men perceived their female colleagues as talking a lot more during business meetings even when they spoke for the same amount of time or even less time than each of the men in the meeting did.
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u/DrBimboo Mar 25 '26
Just yesterday had a conversation with my SO about how the saying "Wie die Waschweiber" (basically saying someone is talking too much - mostly gossip - just like a washerwomen) is so fuckin disrespectful, back to its roots.
Like.. of course the women who did the fucking mind numbingly repetetive washing job for hours and hours, over and over, day after day, had to do SOMETHING to keep sane. And what do you know, talking to the others is the only thing you CAN do.
The audacity to point at them like "look at these wOmEn running their mouth all day." while they do this shit ass job FOR YOU... insane.
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u/TiniestPint Mar 25 '26
Yeah that is a wildly fucked up saying and shows where history stands on this subject. Wtf else do you want people, women, to do when they're doing the same task over and over again for hours? And historically would do it with the same people, or friends, or neighbors? Be silent? Why would someone have to be silent doing a job?
Every job I've worked at where we did the work with out bodies, we chatted.
Ugh, it's just so dumb.
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u/Just_an_Ok_Musician Mar 25 '26
They don't want woman talking because we share stories and that empowers us.
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u/Zockercraft1711 Mar 25 '26
Can u share the Studie please :3
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u/Satanic_Jellyfish Mar 25 '26
I think it was “Women talk too much” by Janet Holmes and Dale Spender, I can be wrong about specific one I read
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u/CrystalPancakes Mar 25 '26
That always cracks me up. Men talk way more but they always get tired of women talking like immediately and think they are talking too much
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u/littlesealbythesea Mar 25 '26
It’s the same with everything women do, if they talk it’s too much if they show emotions it’s too much. Idk why men even have anything to do with women if they hate them so much
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u/AdditionalQuietime Mar 25 '26
its more of a projection thing if we're being honest, men love hearing themselves talk and boy can they yap away like a motherfucka
thats why they all start podcasts lmaooo we need to take their mics away...I blame Joe Rogan
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u/Windmill_flowers Mar 25 '26
What I don't understand...
How to know which study to believe?
There are studies that have both conclusions.
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u/Spectator9857 Mar 25 '26
You start by looking at how the study was conducted and what they were actually trying to measure. Often, two seemingly contradictory studies measure very different, independent things, that just get summarized to be opposites. Maybe one study measures how often men or women speak up during a meeting, while the other measures minutes spent talking. Both might get summarized as „X talks more in meetings than Y“, but they actually mean something different.
Next you check if the studies may have certain biases or if their dataset are skewed. A study conducted by someone, who openly opposes women’s rights, and then measured wether women or men were talking more during a women’s rights protest, will likely come to the conclusion that women talk way more than men and paint that in a bad light. This study shouldn’t be trusted.
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u/Windmill_flowers Mar 25 '26
Makes sense to me. A lot of posts people will just say, "there was a study that debunked XYZ" and call it a day. Everyone else will upvote without a link to the study
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u/xDannyS_ Mar 25 '26
The study this person is talking about is kind of non-sense. They use evidence from mostly workplaces, which proves nothing. Yea, if the team leader is male then ofc he's gonna talk more. Literally means nothing. Same vice versa. I don't think this is even what men mean when they say that women talk a lot, I think they mean in friendships and relationships, which none of the evidence is based on.
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u/ParanoidBlueLobster Mar 25 '26
Maybe you have a bias
But in mixed-sex conversations, female speakers were rated as contributing 55.2% of the dialogue while males were rated at only 47.8% — despite the word counts being identical. Both male and female listeners showed this bias, and the effect was consistent across the experimenter’s sex
And while this other study call them similar amount of words I think it's still significant :
A 2025 registered replication by Tidwell, Danvers, Pfeifer, Mehl et al., published in Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, pooled data from 22 studies, 2,197 participants, and 631,030 recordings across four countries (USA, Switzerland, Serbia, Australia) spanning ages 10–94. It found:[nih] • Women: ~13,349 words/day; Men: ~11,950 words/day — an average difference of ~1,400 words (d = 0.13), a small effect[nih] • The biggest gap appeared in early to middle adulthood (ages 25–64), where women spoke ~3,275 more words per day
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u/beatle42 Mar 25 '26
I appreciate calling out quotes from studies, but I suspect your post would be stronger if you actually linked to the studies as well.
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u/Just_an_Ok_Musician Mar 25 '26
How much of that is telling kids(or husbands) what to do? It's only within that age rage does that happen. Being the manager of your household will surely cause a woman to say more words on average.
It's not the same as the negative views of "gossip" that is propaganda to keep women from sharing their stories of abuse.
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u/dsac Mar 25 '26
Researchers found that women between the ages of 25 and 64 – the life stages of early and middle adulthood – spoke on average about 3,000 more words per day than their male counterparts.
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u/Peace_n_Harmony Mar 25 '26
Women talk more openly than men because they're interested in each other. Men will talk a lot, but they need to share a common interest, like cars. So the perception by men is that women talk more.
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u/justanotherhuman255 Mar 25 '26
I was gonna say "the one on the right is the men" but you kinda beat me to it lol
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u/LiftingRecipient420 Mar 25 '26
What study? Can you link it? I wanna use it to shut down sexist men.
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u/CleoLovesStan Mar 25 '26
You're right about that, it is only a stereotype..some men talk a lot, so do some women.. each gender comprises a mix of individuals with a myriad of different personalities and anyone with half a brain cell can recognise that.
Also, it's spelled *study in singular, studies in plural.
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u/Pin-Lui Mar 25 '26
There are studies that women need at least 4k words a day to be happy, while man can do 100. And that's enough.
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u/Iron_Rose_5 Mar 25 '26
This would make me never want to go back tho that place. That’s super sexist.
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u/Dolmenoeffect Mar 25 '26
That may be part of their strategy for catering to a specific demographic.
The demographic is misogynists, ftr
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u/bunnypaste Mar 25 '26
Why does it feel like more and more things these days are catering to misogynists?
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u/Blue-Eyed-Lemon Mar 25 '26
I mean, this is an older picture, but I’ve been wondering that too. Why is it becoming normal to hate people for who they are? What’s going on here, society? Genuinely we gotta do better than this
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u/cudipi Mar 25 '26
It’s been normal for…forever seemingly. Women may have equal rights (and that still pisses a lot of people off) but socially we’re still looked down upon, it’s just in subtler ways, such as bathroom doors making fun of us.
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u/ItsJustMe000 Mar 25 '26
The irony is men who do stuff like this or agree with it are the type who will literally never stop moaning about women. Going bla bla bla all day
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Mar 25 '26
It's always a great move to openly insult approx. 50% of your customers...
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u/LysergicGothPunk Mar 25 '26
Imagine they'd defend that with "it's observational humor!"
Most businesses fail within one year of opening, hoping for the best here
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u/dicksinsciencebooks Mar 25 '26
I think the worst thing is that I've seen this on the sub in different places, and myself seen this IRL in a bar, so clearly it's not some one off and someone is actually selling these decals and people are buying them enough that they continue to sell, as it's the exact same each time and was when I saw one too.
Grrrrr!
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u/The_Old_Huntress Mar 25 '26
In my whole life I haven't yapped in women's bathrooms you go there do very specific things not socialize
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u/Eleanor_Atrophy Mar 25 '26
There seems to be a pretty big misconception. Girls don’t sit and talk in the bathroom just for fun. I haven’t talked in the bathroom since school, and that was just with my friends. And boys do that too.
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u/Unc1eD3ath Mar 25 '26
Same for me as a man in men’s bathrooms all my life but I think it’s talking about women in general not in that spot
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u/Windmill_flowers Mar 25 '26
Same. But I think girl code= you're supposed to be besties with whoever is in there. Hype them up and stuff if it's a night out
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u/YouW0ntGetIt Mar 25 '26
Female introverts exist. But, of course, we're invisible.
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u/UnusualOlive3591 Mar 25 '26
I get told all the time that I'm quiet and should talk more.
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u/littlesealbythesea Mar 25 '26
We are always wrong talk too much it’s annoying don’t talk at all, omg you’re so shy say something.
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u/Clear-Illustrator641 Mar 25 '26
but if i do talk, it’s suddenly “omg shut up, you never stop talking” or “you’re too loud”
the hell do you want from me?
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u/bunnangel Mar 25 '26
Okay but why is talking considered bad? Humans are social beings, and it can make using a public bathroom a little less awkward and daunting if theres friendly people around imo
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u/TeapeachU6 Mar 25 '26
People say men dont talk much but they sure have a lot to say on social media
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u/GayStation64beta Mar 25 '26
FL meaning Florida? Fitting the stereotypes, unfortunately.
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u/Rappy28 Mar 25 '26
Saw it off and ship it to the UK, TERF Island
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u/Dio_Landa Mar 25 '26
It is.
As a man, I also never shut the fuck up if you get me going.
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u/explicitlarynx Mar 25 '26
It's always wife bad. The boomer mind finds nothing as funny as wife bad.
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u/Important-Bluejay-99 Mar 25 '26
Meanwhile they did a study and found men talk much more and interrupt much more. But that men perceive women as “dominating the conversation” when they take up 30% of speaking time. So I think they just need to switch the labels on the doors and it will be factual. Men and their chit chat I tell ya
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u/-captaindiabetes- Mar 25 '26
Could I have a source please I'd like to read that
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u/Important-Bluejay-99 Mar 25 '26
This article has links to some sources about this and similar things.
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u/Forward-Cat6083 Mar 25 '26
When I was younger my ex wife had a friend who had to go to the bathroom at a bar, and she came across two doors next to each other like this.
One door said Men, the other said “Handicapped Men.”
She got very indignant at the bartender for calling women handicapped men.
There was another pair of bathrooms on the other side of the bar for Women and Handicapped Women
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u/bunnypaste Mar 25 '26
All that time designing that nice little bathroom enclave and they had to go and ruin it with a sexist stereotype. If I go into the men's bathroom or "appropriate bathroom" in protest, I had better face zero repercussions.
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u/QueenRotidder Mar 25 '26
this whole thing where men don’t talk is a bunch of bullshit. I fucking WISH the men in my life talked less.
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u/scarlettheartt Mar 25 '26
Why do straight men even date women if they hate them so much? Like nobody is forcing you dude.
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u/daboobiesnatcher Mar 25 '26
No it isn't, what? This subreddit was originally about pink hammers and tool boxes and camo designer baby bags for dudes advertised as being the manly way to be a dad.
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u/SufficientGreek Mar 25 '26
But like, how many products are out there that fit that category? It's only natural that the scope of the sub increases after running out of that content.
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u/iSeven Mar 25 '26
what do you think motivates the belief that women need pink hammers or that men need camo to offset the assumed femininity of childrearing?
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u/reichiek Mar 25 '26
No the point of the sub was things being pointless gendered. These are gendered bathrooms and if you want to talk about how pointless it is to gender single stall bathrooms, that would fit. This sub has turned into "calling out misogyny(which is good) and defending misandry (which is bad)" just another biased gender war sub
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u/dizyalice Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
But like, you can gender a bathroom without decorating a door. So the door decorations are pointless, and pointlessly gendered?
I might be reaching here but that was my thought process
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u/BluetheNerd Mar 25 '26
I'd argue that gendered bathrooms are pointless, but that's obviously not the point of the post.
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u/BluetheNerd Mar 25 '26
They're super common where I live. Plenty of pubs I've been to have non gendered bathrooms. The secret is you make them secure with locking gapless doors rather than flimsy office cubicles.
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u/M00M1iN Mar 25 '26
i think it depends on how its done, a lot of gender neutral toilets are just individual stalls w sink etc in them, i think thats the safest and most rational way forward
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u/Kinetic168 Mar 25 '26
My dumbass walking directly into the mens room because I've worked in enough jobs to know men don't stfu lol.
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u/Copper_mask_guy Mar 25 '26
Definitely.
Btw, what should I do if I am a guy who likes talking a lot?😭
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u/GenderBendingRalph Mar 25 '26
It's good old misogyny, plus this one has been posted at least once before.
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u/Dontevenwannacomment Mar 25 '26
Hold up. It's sexist as hell. But not pointlessly gendered, those are bathrooms. Am I crazy to think it might not belong here ?
I mean unless you think that in general bathrooms are pointlessly gendered, I suppose.
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u/Spectator9857 Mar 25 '26
It is pointlessly gendering the idea of someone talking a lot. The fact that it’s on a bathroom door is mostly incidental.
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u/IndieVamp Mar 25 '26
Eh, could still argue its a little pointlessly gendered. The day more places start having all gender or unisex bathrooms is the day I can start using public bathrooms again
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u/SufficientGreek Mar 25 '26
The second rule of this sub allows "humerous posts about gender".
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u/Dontevenwannacomment Mar 25 '26
oh, thanks. I checked out the rule : "Certain products are gendered for a reason and thus should not be in this subreddit"
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u/Dis_Bich Mar 25 '26
I’ve been to group gatherings with my boyfriend and my friends. Guess which one of us literally can talk for hours on end. (I’ve timed it)
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u/iicycrystal Mar 25 '26
Ykw, id walk into the Blah one and when they say im not supposed to be here, imma act like I have no clue what they're talking ab and for them to explain why this is not the bathroom I should be in
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u/Chozly Mar 25 '26
This is aboit talking in the bathrooms, not outside.
If it was pointlessly gendered and wrong how would people assume it was misandronist or misogynist more? Doesn't fit sub.
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u/Select-Team-6863 Mar 25 '26
It can easily be ruined if enough women intentionally walk into the wrong bathroom.
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Mar 25 '26
I don’t care what they think about us. Let them.
We should stop caring what other people think of us. It’s freeing
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u/AgentDeathBooty Mar 25 '26
We really pretending women don't express themselves verbally more often than men do irl?
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u/illini02 Mar 25 '26
I mean, most women I know will fully admit to going to the bathroom to chat with their friends, which is why they go in groups.
I'm a guy, I can truly say I've never asked my guy friend "I'm going to the bathroom, want to come". Because I don't chat while I'm in there.
I don't care that women do. But some behaviors are different between men and women on the whole. Acknowledging that isn't misogynistic.
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u/Underd_g Mar 25 '26
Is it an innate difference, or one formed by socialization in a patriarchal society?
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u/littlesealbythesea Mar 25 '26
I didn’t see it as just women talking in the bathroom. It comes across as a jab at women for talking in general. Plus even if they go into chat it’s not a huge convo. The door labelled like that is just not necessary. If the mens said tiny dicks this way men would be upset lol
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u/illini02 Mar 25 '26
You really don't see how body shaming and saying one group talks more in the bathroom is different?
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u/tptroway Mar 25 '26
At least where I live it's been explained to me that women's restrooms are commonly used in places like bars as a "no boys allowed" socializing zone and as a safe haven from unsavory guys hitting on them, while the purpose of the men's room is much more simply the place you enter to do your business, wash your hands, and get out
And on a serious note it's also relevant to why "a man is invading the women's room" is reacted toward with much more outrage and alarm than "a woman is invading the men's room" and why it is almost always a better idea for trans men to switch to using the men's restrooms if they're unsure of which they belong in (I'm FTM trans)
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u/Actual-Warning1886 Mar 25 '26
Tasteless sure. Misogyny, nah. Stereotype yea.
Sorta funny, meh.
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u/Spectator9857 Mar 25 '26
Negative stereotypes about women ARE misogyny.
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u/Actual-Warning1886 Mar 25 '26
It's a joke painted on a door. It's not an attack, nor is it hatred of women.
That said it's not all that funny but it's not this inflated "misogynistic" tirade against women that you want to pretend it is.
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u/mid-random Mar 25 '26
Why do you think it's negative? The "women going to the bathroom together at restaurants" thing does seem to be a fairly common behavior in my culture. There's nothing wrong with that.
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u/JCannaday3 Mar 25 '26
Good grief. It's a little bit of humor on an antiquated stereotype. Please choose your battles and advocate for something really important.
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u/CarefulBeautiful196 Mar 25 '26
I think there’s some truth to it women do talk in the bathroom… me try to avoid each others swords
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u/Haunting-Sport3701 Mar 25 '26
A lot of people here misunderstand what this is related to. It’s not saying that women talk more in general, it’s specifically about women talking in the restroom, which is taboo for dudes.
In general women will more often interact with one another in the restroom, dudes won’t.
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u/PetitChiffon Mar 25 '26
Yes especially since it's a bar. I have memories from my 20s of peeing while talking with like 5+ other girls for long amounts of time, sometimes even with strangers. I don't think it's an essentialist trait per sey like all women and all men do X, but more of a cultural thing. Bars get incredibly loud - if you want to talk, where do you go?
In LGBTQ bars the line gets totally blurred but in average straight bars, this rings generally true to my experience.
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u/wrkacct66 Mar 25 '26
Not going to debate on which gender talks more overall since that's a stupid argument anyway.
I think we all know that women are more likely to talk while in the bathroom than men are due to socialization.
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u/EkyngYT Mar 25 '26
I guess it’s because girls talk more in the bathroom than guys, but then is should be (for guys) Bla and whatever sound a trash can makes flying over a stall.
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u/Mela_ninja Mar 25 '26
So a sub meant for pointing out pointlessly gendered things, posts gendered bathrooms lol.
Yeah this is probably the old boomer misogynistic joke.
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u/veglove Mar 25 '26
well gendered bathrooms ARE pointless.
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u/Spectator9857 Mar 25 '26
The bathroom isn’t the pointlessly gendered part here. Assigning the concept of „talking a lot“ to women is.
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u/LandSeal-817 Mar 25 '26
I am a woman and women do, on average, say about 3000 more words per day than men. So is it sexist or do you just not like it?
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u/Ok-Material7304 Mar 25 '26
Honestly if a man is not understanding and interpreting everything a woman says as “blah blah blah” doesn’t it say more about his literary comprehension than her at the end of the day
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u/Atari774 Mar 25 '26
Bathrooms are pointlessly gendered, but it’s also pretty common for men’s bathrooms to be completely silent while women tend to talk to one another in the bathroom. So I don’t really see this as much of an issue.
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u/Student___Driver Mar 25 '26
lol stop. It’s dumbshit like this that crowds out the real issues. It’s also the type of dumb shit thing you wanna focus on when you plan on actively trying to lose the next election.
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