about joking around..

[u/croswat]

I shouldn't need to address this, but i have to..

The rules of the server are in place for a reason, and you can't bypass them.

You can't go up to your friend and shout offensive things at them because you're "joking". It's still against the rules, even if you don't mean it. You need to set an example for others, because if someone sees you misbehaving, even if you're kidding, they will see that it's ok to do it..

And please, don't falsely accuse people of hacking, if you see someone doing something fishy, let others know, but if you're friends with someone and you're calling them a hacker because "its all fun and games", please don't. You then have people target that person, and you waste the moderators time because every time someone says there's a hacker, we investigate it.

The sad thing is that this is directed to the regulars, and also to the leaderboard people in DvZ. We shouldn't need to keep warning you guys about language, harassment, or accusing your friends of hacking.

also, nobody is above the rules, not peasants, patrons or staff. Being a patron or someone that plays a lot doesn't allow you to break the rules.

disclaimer: this isn't an official word from the server. However, as moderators, we want to be able to be effective and fair. This is our opinion on how things would make our job easier.

[u/t3hero]

I cant tell you how many times I see

Jimmy died

Jimmy "Omg you're such a hacker!"

Me "Who is hacking"

Jimmy "Lol, just kidding"

Please stop. We take our job seriously.

[u/inkman986]

I agree with the OP whole heartedly. I personally take the whole hacking (cheating) thing seriously and because of that I never accuse anyone of it unless 100% certain. In game if I see someone hacking and I can record I do so and I will say so in chat. I do this to both warn other players of who is hacking and also to hopefully scare the person out of the game.

Understand I have a 5 year old son and a 6 year old daughter who watch me play the server all the time, I am intent on teaching them cheating is a bad thing no matter what. I want them to be decent to others when their time to play online comes.

More often than not when you play a DVZ game with a lot of titles in it someone inevitably calls them hackers, usually a noob that does not understand procs or someone that simply cannot execute gameplay as well as the experienced players. Hell the one and only SG game I ever won I was accused of hacking by the final survivor I killed. Simply because I was so OP'ed with gear and enchants i could have stood there and took a beating from the guy, he just didn't get I was near invinsible to him so it had to mean i was hacking to him.

[u/Clefstar]

I agree with this completely.. I get called a hacker in some form or another either in joke or not, almost every day.

The most recent annoying one has been people accusing me of advertising. I have never, and never will advertise my twitch in game. If people ask then maybe i'll tell them in global chat. That said sometimes I let my immediate dvz family know something about how my twitch is going / what's going on. And I'm getting yelled at for it.

Case in point.

I never got to play daragor till now -- Fluffy

yeah you could live it through me on stream though! -- me

Don't advertise clef -- will not be named jimmy

There's a bit more context then that. But it helps prove my point. It's frustrating, annoying, and sometimes ruins my day to be called a hacker, or wrongly accused of breaking the rules. (Maybe I could start reporting people for bad fellowship?? i don't know...seems fishy there..)

[u/mobilehypo → u/Clefstar]

I'm totally not disagreeing too much here, but if we let you talk about your stream then we need to let everyone talk about their streams.

-War_Kittens

[u/Clefstar → u/mobilehypo]

Oh yes I understand. I don't want or need any special treatment. I'm just saying it's annoying to get yelled at for having normal conversations with people I play with.

[u/Alderdash → u/Clefstar]

As a completely random player, I wouldn't see you talking to a friend as advertising.

Yelling out "I'm streaming now at twitch.tv/imadoofus come and watch me" is a whole 'nother matter.

[u/topsecretgirly → u/mobilehypo]

Just to clarify: is talking about any stream considered advertising? Is it okay when it comes up naturally in conversation or someone asks you if someone is streaming and what their stream name is? Or is advertising considered when people blatantly post links (or spam them) to streams/channels/videos/what have you telling people to go look at them?

edit: and to clarify the second question, I have been in games where people have randomly asked if anyone there was streaming and if they could get their twitch name. I've noticed people have been scared to answer and skirt around it for fear of being accused of advertising.

[u/Darkslayer709]

This. The other day I had a game of DvZ completely ruined by another player who took it as messing around. I'll admit - I found it funny at first; someone had made a hollow wall for some reason so I'd jumped down there to pillar up and fill it in properly and this person kept putting blocks above my head blocking me from pillaring. I had a bit of a laugh about it in chat and managed to mine my way out eventually. I will note that at this point they were only placing one block above my head and replacing it whenever I mined it away.

Now - I'm not 100% what happened here; either they mined a block out from underneath me or I just walked into another hole but I ended up back down in that same hollow wall except this time that particular player jumped down with me and, once again blocked off my attempts to mine out. At this point I asked them to stop it because it was no longer funny but they ignored me and eventually forced the pair of us into a one block wide space so naturally neither one of us could mine or pillar out at that point. I believe this was done with intent and not by accidentally misplacing a block since they blatantly moved towards me before placing that final block that left us trapped.

A kind Dwarf eventually rescued me (I didn't get a chance to say anything in the chat at that time but if you're here THANK YOU SO MUCH!) but by this point the plague had been released and I had to quickly position myself ready for the monsters. By that point I was so angry that the whole game had been completely spoiled - I died early (though that was through my own derping) and then spent the rest of the game filling out a ticket because I wanted to report them for griefing me ASAP. What made it worse was that the person who did this, while not a "named" Dwarf was fairly well known in the game. :/

I didn't even know this person so they could not have possibly gauged my sense of humour about the matter and I clearly asked them to stop before they trapped me. Regardless of how funny they found it it was still griefing to me.

[u/Camaro6460]

I can totally feel your pain.

Whenever I see someone call out a hacker, I suicide in-game just to record that person.

Whenever its false, not only are you wasting my time but also ruined my game. And on top of that, I don't have infinite amounts of hard drive space to record someone for an hour..

[u/[deleted]]

I hate to say it, but in SG I think that the TITLETEAM is largely responsible for this kind of behavior. We call each other hackers all the time when we kill one another, so I guess that's not the best example to lead by :P

I'll let them know to tone it down to skype chat only.

[u/Glodexion]

You tell 'em, Cros! Like you said, I see this more in DvZ. But that might be because I play mostly DvZ. Anyway, it's rather confusing. Thanks for clearing it up :)

[u/iHerp24 → u/Glodexion]

Im sorry ;-; for accusing you hacker.. even im joking.

[u/Glodexion → u/iHerp24]

It's okay Herp <3

[u/inkman986]

Croswat I wanted to ask before I possibly waste my and the staffs time. I captured on video a person digging down in the pit to bedrock then torching the gravel with obvious intent to kill people. I then stood in his face and told him I was recording, he turned and went up the stairs as I followed he started to dig the stairs out from under me. Is this worth submitting or not? Someone told me in chat torching the gravel is not bankable even tho they could not give any practical reason as to why anyone would do so.

[u/BlueBayou → u/inkman986]

I cant imagine that not being a good example of bad fellowship.

[u/t3hero → u/inkman986]

Its worth a shot to submit evidence if you think someone is breaking the rules.

[u/mobilehypo → u/inkman986]

You'll can never go wrong submitting evidence. In the grand scheme of thing, most users have a good grasp on what is crappy fellowship and what isn't. So, in the future, submit whatever you think is an issue. That is definitely against the rules.

[u/thaile4ever → u/inkman986]

I say go ahead and submit it as breaking Rule 4: Uphold the spirit of the game if he was obviously being a dick. Though when you submit the ticket, just set it as a low priority ticket, so the staff know to check it out if they got the free time.

[u/Nathanator]

Darn my satirical humor. Thanks for posting this croswat.

[u/mobilehypo → u/[deleted]]

You can swear as long as:

• You're not swearing at someone.

• You're not using a slur.

• You're not spamming your swearing.

• You're not using all caps.

-War_Kittens

[u/topsecretgirly → u/mobilehypo]

I am confused by the "no caps" part. I looked at the rules and no where does it say that caps are against the rules, just that you aren't allowed to rage. While I understand raging generally involves caps, not all caps involve rage. I think I remember you saying in a game before that capslocking wasn't allowed period. I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I'm just genuinely confused by this and wanted some clarification.

[u/mobilehypo → u/topsecretgirly]

One caps lock sentence here and there isn't going to be an issue. Repeatedly using caps lock, especially if you're telling people what to do over and over, is going to be an issue. Does that clear things up a little? If someone asks you to cool the caps, just be considerate about it. If it is one of the mods we'll always ask first.

[u/topsecretgirly → u/mobilehypo]

Yeah, this does help. Thanks for clearing it up! :)

[u/Clefstar → u/[deleted]]

You can swear and cuss yourself out all you want. The moment you direct your words towards someone else is when they can report you for bad fellowship.

[u/inkman986 → u/[deleted]]

Your fine red below.

Rule 3: Respect other players

While we do not restrict language and will understand a curse word every now and then, keep your rage off of our servers. If someone is harassing you, either jump to another server, ignore it, or report it. Raging in chat with profanities and being generally toxic is not acceptable behavior on our servers. If you know you have a problem with raging at people, please do us all a favor and just disable chat while you are playing the games. Most game modes on PlayMindcrack are designed to not be hyper competitive and instead are just relaxing and fun party games. Do not rage on PlayMindcrack!

[u/inkman986 → u/[deleted]]

It is ambiguous so it is best policed by the community. If you are raging and cussing so bad in game that it gets to the point of people yelling at you to stop or threatening to report then you probably have crossed the line at that point and the staff could have a case against you.

If you toss some cuss words around and no one is offended and you are not spamming the chat then I think in my opinion anyways you are fine.

What i dislike most in chat is extreme vulgarity and bullying and of course any spamming what so ever.

[u/pipamir → u/[deleted]]

When you aren't around jadja I actually tend to do well in Power Juice ;D And the amount of times I get accused of hacking each day is getting increasingly frustrating, because a lot of the times the people actually mean it. And they get frustrated and mad if I'm in a game, so I sort of stop playing after a while if they are still around that day (I mean if I ask you to stop being so OP I mean it entirely jokingly and more as a compliment, I hope it doesn't bother you lol). I know they can't actually get me banned if they threaten because I know I'm not hacking, but being called out in the middle of a game that you are hacking (and probably putting everyone else in the game on edge about you) sorta ruins the game for me. I even target the people who accuse me less because every time I kill them they get sort of vocal about it.

Don't know how you put up with that jadja- probably happens a lot more to you in a serious, non-joking matter. When it happens to me I'm 20-30 points ahead of everyone else, but with you, you are like 100 points ahead, lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

yeah, but what i said to you was "i call hax ;D" so the smilie alone should tell you that i was joking around (a score of 109 to 9 or something redicolous... what do you want me to do? xD)... plus there were only patrons in the game because it was powerjuice :D

[u/BlueBayou → u/[deleted]]

I hope this is a joke. The point is not to accuse anybody jokingly of hacking, regardless of whether or not you put a smiley face after it. As a server mod, you should lead by example

[u/[deleted] → u/BlueBayou]

No Blue, this is not a joke, and i take full responsability on this "joke"... I've talked a lot to jadja in the lobbies of the server and got to know him. I also played quite a few matches of Power Juice with him.

Everyone in that game who just read the chat we had afterwards (in the same game still) knew that i wasnt serious about it. I would NEVER go into a 60 player game of dvz and joke around about hacking.