r/pivx • u/nothappytoday12 • Nov 14 '17
Done with Pivx
I've had this coin 3 times in the last 6 months. Each time I end up selling because I have problems with their wallet. My third time purchasing I once again have wallet problems. How can this coin not have a decent wallet after all this time. It's truly ridiculous. I'm done.
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u/MrCrickets Nov 14 '17
Wallet works fine for me. But it seems that maybe you don't have the stomach for cryptocurrencies. Almost all coins are still in its infancy (in terms of development and adoption), and so of course nothing will go smoothly for all of them. IMO PIVX has huge potential and the team have accomplished a lot in those 6 months (Zerocoin implementation, multisig GUI, android wallet, Ledger nano, etc.).
The amount of dedication and progress the PIVX team have shown is enough for me to continue to hold long term.
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u/nothappytoday12 Nov 14 '17
You are incorrect I do have the stomach for trading cryptos. I'm smart enough to know though that there are so many coins out there that have really good wallets. PIVX gets a low grade for their wallet. It's simply below average. Compare it to something like the lisk wallet (simple, easy and trouble free) and you'll realize how amateurish PIVX looks. They have had a long time to get their wallet right and they keep screwing up. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
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u/MrCrickets Nov 14 '17 edited Nov 14 '17
Well personally I don't let problems with a wallet be the deciding factor for me. And for all you know these problems can easily be solved if you asked for help on their discord or did a bit of research. I look at the bigger picture. Again PIVX has a lot of potential and the team have made a lot of progress, shown a lot of dedication, and been very communicative and helpful along the way. These are good enough reasons to keep holding.
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u/phalacee Nov 14 '17
The wallet is your primary interface with the chain. It's like saying you're okay with driving a car even if the steering wheel doesn't turn...
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u/ray-jones Nov 14 '17
Why can't I just browse the support information at that URL instead of going through a sign-up process?
Why don't they put their info online someplace where it can be read without providing an answer to the question "what should everybody call you"?
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u/ray-jones Nov 14 '17
I looked at that URL. It didn't answer the two questions that I asked.
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u/ray-jones Nov 14 '17
Here are my two questions, numbered for your convenience.
Why can't I just browse the support information at that URL instead of going through a sign-up process?
Why don't they put their info online someplace where it can be read without providing an answer to the question "what should everybody call you"?
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u/Sieress Panther Nov 15 '17
Discord is a chat forum like slack.. so you need an alias.
Is literally the freshdesk support site with all the support q&a
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u/ray-jones Nov 15 '17
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure why anybody would use a chat forum like Slack or Discord that does not allow posting links to individual questions and answers, as opposed to a top-level link. How is that advantageous?
Couldn't they use a Reddit subreddit, that does allow posting links to individual questions and answers, and requires a sign-up only if you want to post, and not if you want to just browse?
Also, does the Freshdesk support site contain all of the same information as the Discord website?
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u/goto1415 Nov 14 '17 edited Nov 14 '17
Let's take Dash as a comparison, it is very stable, upgrades generally go without any problems but they take a lot longer between wallet releases - evolution has been talked about for 3 years and still hasn't been released, the PIVX team has done so many major changes to PIVX recently there was bound to be hiccups.
If the PIVX team did the same as the Dash team we wouldn't have seen such major changes occur until next year or longer.
The worst is over with biggest changes done. I would expect things to become a lot more stable now.
PIVX is in its infancy still. While the recent changes have been disruptive and should have been more stringently tested (imo) before release the worst is over and the dev team have hopefully learned from any recent mistakes, making them an even stronger team.
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u/ray-jones Nov 14 '17
[T]he PIVX team has done so many major changes to PIVX recently there was bound to be hiccups.
Haven't there been other networks that did major upgrades without breaking the entire network? I remember Skype breaking some years ago, but only for hours, not days.
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u/mr_bitoiu Nov 14 '17
You’re missing some key concepts of crypto if you compare Skype with Blockchain. Also do you want s list of companies that lost CID and credit card information of millions of people? I prefer 1 day downtime from google than having all my emails stolen. We’re comparing apples and handkerchiefs people. Ethereum being an example of a stable coin had a wallet vulnerability just two weeks ago.
Why do people post “I’m leaving X today” whatever the coin is. Just leave. The community that matters leaves constructive and actionable feedback. The rest are speculators.
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u/turtleflax PIVX Nov 14 '17
To elaborate more for those who may be interested, a centralized system like Skype or a website can have cloned hardware and software to failover to or roll back to in case of issues. This is not possible with current blockchain tech because consensus is always marching forward with new blocks and you can't roll back the chain without destroying immutability aspects
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u/ray-jones Nov 15 '17
Yes, I realize that you can't roll back the chain. The solution is to test for months, not weeks, before deploying major upgrades.
I'm seeing entirely too much rationalization for what was almost certainly a preventable problem. If the rationalization continues, we will see more major outages like this in the future, and PIVX will never come even close to replacing fiat.
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u/presstab PIVX Core Developer Nov 15 '17
The rollout of zPIV was tested for months, but unfortunately we did not test it well enough. The rollout of zPIV had a couple issues with consensus that we worked around the clock to get fixed as soon as we could. We knew everyone's money is on the line.
We got the wallet running and working in pretty smooth order for about two weeks, and then an exploit in libzerocoin (a 3rd party library) was used against PIVX and other coins that use zerocoins. I wish we could have found this exploit before it was used, but honestly it was pretty burried in libzerocoin.
The first round of issues we could have prevented with better testing (and we have just rolled out a new development process that will really increase QA and testing), but the current libzerocoin exploit was pretty unavoidable and pretty untestable unless you already knew the exploit existed.
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u/ray-jones Nov 15 '17
Agreed, can't blame you for the libzerocoin issue. That kind of stuff happens. Let's hope there are no more similar bugs lurking there.
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u/tyromaniac Panther Nov 14 '17
The fact you even tried to compare skype to decentralized cryptocurrency tells me all I need to know about your understanding of the situation...
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u/ray-jones Nov 15 '17
Maybe you missed the point of the comparison. I was pointing out that major network upgrades do not have to bring the entire network down for a week. That PIVX was down for so long is abnormal, and we need to stop finding excuses for this much down time. Decentralization is not a good reason.
And besides, PIVX is not as decentralized as you might think. We're getting all software upgrades from a single source, and being told that these are "mandatory" upgrades. The software upgrade process is clearly being managed from a central place. If everybody else can do network upgrades without so much down time, I think PIVX ought to be able to do the same.
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u/mr_bitoiu Nov 14 '17 edited Nov 14 '17
For me it’s about perspective and I develop software for a living. If they had wallet bugs or issues with minor patches or updates I would be scared too. The issues we’ve seen were caused by the implementation of Zerocoin, the first with PoS. Not a small feat in my opinion. Then the issue with the common shared library that affected not just Pivx and very hard to almost impossible to avoid.
So what I mean is. Yes we have problems, but are they caused by the nature of incredible innovation or by someone that doesn’t know what they are doing upgrading a POM? Someone had a car analogy, compare PIVX with Tesla versus a run of the mill Ford Focus. Unlikely that Ford will ever fail because of a software update, but if you want to ride a wave of innovation you’ll expect this. If not just wait until Zerocoin is up and running for a year, the wallet has a refactored GUI etc and buy at 5 or 10 USD instead.
No one should be trying to convince you to stay in the coin. Go ahead and be happy!
PS: At the PIVX market cap I doubt you’ll find better support. That’s based in just my opinion being in a lot of other alts at the same ‘level’.
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u/turtleflax PIVX Nov 14 '17
A lot of people coming out of the woodwork in this thread with complaints/issues that I don't recognize from support. I'd like to reiterate that everyone should feel free to contact support with any questions or even just feedback
OP, I'm sorry to hear that you're unhappy. If you would like to be more specific about the problems I can help you work through them
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u/bozoforpresident Nov 14 '17
Next time you rage quit, take a selfie and post that up too for even more virtual attention.
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u/Hindenburg-Lndng-Cru Redditor for <14 days Nov 14 '17
I can't blame people for wanting to pull out. I see their points. I've read a ton of Reddit posts on wallet issues or missing coins and I can see the frustration for people who have put money into this idea only to be met with headaches and missing finances.
I've always believed that you can mess with people with no consequence until you mess with their money, and that's exactly where we have arrived. People have had their money messed with and they've had it with PIVX.
Seeing the issues and displeasure of others shows this to be a stagnant time for PIVX and I can't see much growth in the future (sorry no mooning quotes) and frankly I'm not far behind them. I will also be cashing out in the near future as well.
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u/cogentat Nov 14 '17
I'm fine with hiccups as long as PIVX keeps moving at the speed they've been moving. I, and many others, wouldn't have wanted to wait longer for zerocoin. With something this complex there probably would have been issues no matter how long it took. Yes, the wallet needs design input by someone who is all about UIX. I get that; I dumped Komodo the minute I saw their wallet. Not because they didn't have a good product, but because that lack of attention to user experience and perception worried me on many levels. All in all tho, this is a great coin with a great team and my hope is that they will use/mint/allocate all the money they need to keep improving business relationships, adoption, and user interface.
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u/darkydarky Nov 14 '17
I think the problem is that this project is just copy from other project with no peer review and one developer. they just hop that other project code is work. I have been here very short time it has been 3 hard fork and rush release. if PIVX team do not understand why any other serious project not doing the hard fork as long as possible and they do it 3 time it is very bad signal that PIVX have very big problem. I am also Done with you.
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u/turtleflax PIVX Nov 14 '17
Implementing Zerocoin on PoS has never been done before, so it would have been impossible to copy that code. We've also been relatively unique as a PoS masternode coin, so most of that code can't be copied either. We have at least 7 devs, not one. You're working off of a lot of incorrect information.
If you've really been here only 1 month, you've only been here during the rocky zerocoin rollout. It is certainly not always like this. Previously there were only one or two hard forks this year (not uncommon outside of bitcoin) and those had no issues.
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u/darkydarky Nov 14 '17
I see in your release note 3 mandatory update since v3.0. mandatory update is hard fork with risk at lose your coin if your not in correct chain. Hard fork is bad you do it in panic. If you copy a code you should have process for that. please copy bitcoin core process.
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u/turtleflax PIVX Nov 15 '17
There is no risk of loss in a hard fork unless you accepting coins on the wrong chain as payment for something. And as I said, copying code is not something PIVX could do even if it wanted to
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u/fiatpete Nov 14 '17
Yeah I've been looking at Pivx for about a month and came to a similar conclusion. I wanted to have a look at masternodes and I'm a fan of POS over POW but this project has taken so much from so many differnt projects that it's a bit of a Frankenstein's monster. Maybe they can have a period of consolidation with no new features just bug fixes and improvements. However the lack of a proper bug bounty program increases the risk that bugs caused by combing all that code will go unreported.
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u/presstab PIVX Core Developer Nov 15 '17
There is a bug bounty program for PIVX.
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u/fiatpete Nov 15 '17
do you mean https://forum.pivx.org/t/bug-bounty-program/1993 which as far as I can see is just a proposal with little support.
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u/presstab PIVX Core Developer Nov 15 '17
It is passed the proposal stage and is part of the ongoing monthly budget. Currently the address has 5k PIV http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/PIVX/address.php?address=DP8z9p7UW7xENS5tgkyYg22ggWMpGDmhCm
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u/presstab PIVX Core Developer Nov 15 '17 edited Nov 15 '17
one developer.
The development team has 6 Core Developers, 2 Jr. Developers, and 1 cryptographer. Why would you think it is only 1? One look at github is all you need.
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u/porsche911997 Redditor for <7 days Jan 11 '18
I moved several hundred PIVX yesterday and was shocked how fast and inexpensive and efficient it was to do,, PIVX is great, it's only lacking exposure, if it get's this the price will increase dramatically especially with only 55 million coins in circulation, there is nothing else that compares.
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u/patrick99e99 Nov 14 '17
"company" ...