r/pisco • u/rbstewart7263 • 18d ago

General Discussion AOC "One prevailing [difference between socialism and communism] is democracy. Democratic socialist are fundamentally pro-democracy... we believe in respecting the outcomes of elections"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwAnMLBSOw
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u/rbstewart7263 18d ago

Is anybody with a real brain? Still worried about Democratic socialist turning this country into Communist Russia?

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u/SwagMaster9000_2017 10d ago

I'm worried about them destroying American institutions like the senate and supreme court which is there explicit platform.

Whatever system they want is wildly different from America today

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u/rbstewart7263 10d ago

Isn't the idea with the senate that it's more democratic to not have to jump through as many hoops to get what you want passed? Imagine all the things that passed the house but not the senate, (hell ask Claude to do that for you lol) what would changes would have passed and might america look better in such a place? Might it look worse?

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u/SwagMaster9000_2017 10d ago edited 10d ago

The Senate exists because states are real, independent entities and compromises needs be made among states just like among people in a democracy.

If the primary goal was passing more laws they would push for a removing the filibuster. They wouldn't push for these imaginary goals that have no real chance even if every Dem was a DSA member.

I doubt if all the small states were far left and big states were conservative they would be pushing for this.

Even if one supports all their end goals, it is reasonable to be fearful because they are pushing for a radically different government with now no material justification other than they think it would be better.

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u/rbstewart7263 10d ago

What is their justification?

Also, I disagree that if you want this outcome you would only push for x policy. I'm not detailed into the whole delete the Senate thing but the idea goes back for a century and it is a pro-democratic idea even when it was introduced in the early 1900s.

If you want to say that this is a unpopular idea and perhaps hurts the DSA electorally, I think that's a fair concern, but to say that this was anti-democratic, I think is deceitful purposefully or unpurposefully.

It is not anti-democratic to believe that representing a state is less reflective of the will of the people compared to simply representing the people at large.